Bible Trivia

Icemoon SG

My turn to enact "three heroes battle Lu Bu" Laughing

Icemoon SG

Please explain the commentary. Laughing

Ironside SG

u mean not included in the list of tribes?

vince69 SG

read verse 10

10 from the sons of Joseph:
from Ephraim, Elishama son of Ammihud;
from Manasseh, Gamaliel son of Pedahzur;

Joseph's name was mentioned

Levi's name however is not.
Rolling Eyes

*edit to add in the emoticon

Icemoon SG

yes.

vince69 SG

basically, its like this,
These 2 sons of Joseph are born in Egypt before Jacob came to join them, and their mothers is a Egyptian. ie. they are not born under the house of Jacob (Israel), so in order for them to have Abraham's promises, Jacob adopt them under himself, thus qualifying them to inherit God's promises to Abraham.

(personallu understanding only)

Icemoon SG

You talking rubbish lah. Laughing

Here is my knockdown argument:

2 Chronicles 11:

13 The priests and the Levites who were in all Israel presented themselves to him from all their territories. 14The Levites had left their common lands and their holdings and had come to Judah and Jerusalem, because Jeroboam and his sons had prevented them from serving as priests of the Lord, 15and had appointed his own priests for the high places, and for the goat-demons, and for the calves that he had made. 16Those who had set their hearts to seek the Lord God of Israel came after them from all the tribes of Israel to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the Lord, the God of their ancestors. 17They strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and for three years they made Rehoboam son of Solomon secure, for they walked for three years in the way of David and Solomon.

James 1:

1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.

I hardly call that "lost". Laughing

Ironside SG

they were indeed lost. those 10 tribes who were exiled to Assyria.

technically the those who reside in the land were called Israel, because they were inhabitants of Israel actually. the 10 and the 2 are called Israel.

Icemoon SG

Rolling Eyes

God's promise is to the patriarchical lineage. Not all the wives are of Abraham's blood anyway. So it doesn't matter Joseph's wife is Egyptian.

Ironside SG

Chronicles during the time of Rehoboam- the exiled did not happen yet. it happened years later.

notice their is still the kingdom of Judah and Israel

Ironside SG

13 The priests and the Levites who were in all Israel presented themselves to him from all their territories. 14The Levites had left their common lands and their holdings and had come to Judah and Jerusalem, because Jeroboam and his sons had prevented them from serving as priests of the Lord, 15and had appointed his own priests for the high places, and for the goat-demons, and for the calves that he had made. 16Those who had set their hearts to seek the Lord God of Israel came after them from all the tribes of Israel to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the Lord, the God of their ancestors. 17They strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and for three years they made Rehoboam son of Solomon secure, for they walked for three years in the way of David and Solomon.
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Icemoon SG

this is shifting the goalpost.

we were discussing about lost tribes, not when the exile happened.

I've demonstrated the mini exodus of the 10 northern tribes into Judah. What say you?

Ironside SG

yeah, the lost tribes refered to those 10 tribes of Israel. That's what is refered when it says "THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL"

When cultist say: " i am a part of the lost tribe of Israel, they refer to that.

Icemoon SG

come on .. i waiting for your explanation of James 1:1. Laughing

Icemoon SG

but i've shown conclusively that the 10 tribes WERE NEVER LOST.

They were still around during the early church!

Ironside SG

Icy, the term "the Lost tribes" of israel is a popular term. When they say that, they refer to those tribes who were lost during their exile in Assyria.

Of course after some time, becuse there were few who were left behind israel during the exile. they traced their genealogy and that's what u got in the NT.

it doesn't say that they were really lost all generations. for all time.

Icemoon SG

the point is moot right?

after all I believe not all the Israelites return from Babylon later .. I believe some members from Tribe of Judah comingled with the pagans and lost their identity.

Icemoon SG

the 10 tribes or the northern tribe was taken captive by the Assyrian empire. they were exiled there. From there they got scatttered and that's where they got lost.

The souther tribe Judah and Benjamin was taken captive to Babylon some 7o years later.

When the returned 70 years later, they returned to their land, and these became the inhabitants of Judah- they were called Jews during the Lord's time.

you never tell the whole story.

a noob reading the first time will think - all the 10 tribes were LOST.

Ironside SG

Actually, when Israel's Historians say: "the Lost tribes of israel" they refer to that time in history.

For example, let's consider the American scene. There were many indian tribes [this is fiction by the way] in america. Then there was a huge battle that the tribes became separated and to them [indians] it became an indelible part of their history, they could never forget that part of history were their race was separated. for a long time their tribe got separated: they wonder: "where could our brothers be now?"

And some historian came to write about their history and hearing the story of the separated tribe, he termed it "the lost tribes of the indians."

Icemoon SG

Babylon is an equally attractive place for some of them to get "lost".

so if we want to be historically accurate .. as long as you never go back to Jerusalem, you are "lost".

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