God commanded the use of icons?

last SG · 2006-07-05T20:42:42+00:00

The Protestant position makes more sense .. don't you think so? IMHO, the Catholics are the one without any "checks and balances". PS: But then I wouldn't...

laoda99 SG

I find the verses quoted in this link is not relevant in supporting the author's views regarding icons.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Great_Heresies.asp

Iconoclasm (7th and 8th Centuries)

This heresy arose when a group of people known as iconoclasts (literally, "icon smashers") appeared, who claimed that it was sinful to make pictures and statues of Christ and the saints, despite the fact that in the Bible, God had commanded the making of religious statues (Ex. 25:1820; 1 Chr. 28:1819), including symbolic representations of Christ (cf. Num. 21:89 with John 3:14).

laoda99 SG

Also in the same page.....Jansenius sound like a calvinist Mr. Green

Jansenism (17th Century)

Jansenius, bishop of Ypres, France, initiated this heresy with a paper he wrote on Augustine, which redefined the doctrine of grace. Among other doctrines, his followers denied that Christ died for all men, but claimed that he died only for those who will be finally saved (the elect). This and other Jansenist errors were officially condemned by Pope Innocent X in 1653.

Heresies have been with us from the Churchs beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christs promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:1 Cool . The Church is truly, in Pauls words, "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

ObiterDicta SG

Then maybe you find a Russian/Greek Orthodox person to explain lor.

They are the masters of icon making. Very nice ones indeed. Smile

obiterdicta

laoda99 SG

mebbe u can explain since u are RC

the quotes used by this article regarding iconclasm.......is not really relevant....and in a sense....dishonest in my view......

dun get me wrong....i love the vatican exhibits.....just that the quotes doesn't look honest/relevant in this article....

ObiterDicta SG

I am not familiar with this topic. *paiseh*

SingaporeMacross SG

Haiyah! You should have stayed longer at Vespers that day! One of our Orthodox friends brought a laptop... and he made a video on Icons!!!

You should have seen it...

laoda99 SG

really meh?

how abt the verses used? are u familiar? does it really support the making of symbols of Christ?

I ask u becoz u quoted many articles from this website. The articles should be reliable in your opinion right?

ObiterDicta SG

Catholic Answers have people who are a lot more competent than I. Smile

ObiterDicta SG

Too bad lah.

The room was so cold that my butt was frozen and I was also very hungry, not having had dinner before the service. Smile

obiterdicta

laoda99 SG

Let us just read Num. 21:89 with John 3:14 which the author claim is supportive of making symbols of christ. is it really relevant?

Num. 21:89

8 The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live." 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.

John 3:14

14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,

SingaporeMacross SG

Come for the Mass on the 22nd. I'm serving Mr. Green

ObiterDicta SG

Here's an article on the theology of icons from a Byzantine perspective:

http://www.traditionaliconography.com/theology.asp

Icemoon SG

Doesn't this sound familiar?

Laughing

laurence82 SG

Isnt that symbol representative of Aesealapins, Greek god of medicine?

SAF Medical Corp symbol

hurhur

Ito_^ SG

icons are not reliable.

take serpent for example, it can represent medicine, wisdom, satan and god-knows-wad.

Icemoon SG

yah .. so either Moses is pagan or pagans are Hebrew.

Laughing

laoda99 SG

ah ha!

Satan is good at counterfeits!!!!!!!!

laurence82 SG

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mix up liao

vince69 SG

Wow...
does this place reflect the offical views of the Roman Catholic Church?
Shocked

cause further down from this in the same page, almost all prostestant churches are considered/implicated in the list of heretics Sad

Protestantism (16th Century)

Protestant groups display a wide variety of different doctrines. However, virtually all claim to believe in the teachings of sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone"the idea that we must use only the Bible when forming our theology) and sola fide ("by faith alone" the idea that we are justified by faith only).

The great diversity of Protestant doctrines stems from the doctrine of private judgment, which denies the infallible authority of the Church and claims that each individual is to interpret Scripture for himself. This idea is rejected in 2 Peter 1:20, where we are told the first rule of Bible interpretation: "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation." A significant feature of this heresy is the attempt to pit the Church "against" the Bible, denying that the magisterium has any infallible authority to teach and interpret Scripture.

The doctrine of private judgment has resulted in an enormous number of different denominations. According to The Christian Sourcebook, there are approximately 20-30,000 denominations, with 270 new ones being formed each year. Virtually all of these are Protestant.

Icemoon SG

is it new? Laughing

it has been liddat since the Reformation.