Need some clarifications / advice from Christians

last SG · 2006-06-24T01:20:59+00:00

You have to firstly understand what the Bible is. To understand what the Bible is you need to know what it is not. It is not a science text book. It is not...

laoda99 SG

hmmm...according to the user or according to the bible?

Icemoon SG

Did they find human remains inside T-Rex? Laughing

laoda99 SG

I agree with uncle Chin Eng.

Actually asimplelife, do u ask because u want to know more abt Christianity/God, or because of something else?

I extend my invitation to u again for bible expository. Difficult passages and topics like evolution will be discussed. I think u r pretty much interested in evolution from the questions u posed.

vince69 SG

The behemoth eat grass not meat. Rolling Eyes

davidche SG

Originally posted by casino_king:
Like I said, the bible is not a science text book on dinosaurs and even if dinosaurs are mentioned, it would be mentioned in passing and not relevant information for a study of science.

The writer was not talking about dinosaurs. What was the writer talking about when he wrote that passage with reference to dinosuars?

His personal experiences with and understanding of God.

When the writer wrote about the creation of the universe in 7 days, what was the point of his story? To write a book on science like Hawkings' A Brief History of Time?

Of course not. He was writing about [b]YOU! Why you do not know God. You want to be like God. You do not want to be a mere man.

Well, surprise, surprise... no matter how much you want to be God, you are a mere man.[/b]

I found out the ultimate prob with ur idea ........You say as if the bible was written in the writer's POV, but is only true for some(new testament). However, Genisis was written by moses, Moses did NOT exist during the creation, then how did he wrote Genisis??? So, some books of the Bible r writen BY God THRU men

laoda99 SG

Asimplelife,

btw,

Psalm 149:2 (New International Version)

2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.

and not

The earth is about 6000 years old. Let God's people rejoice in Him who made them! (Psalm 149:2)

as claimed by the website u quoted.

laoda99 SG

I am not really sure cats and dogs were created the same time as dinosaurs by God, becoz the bible never said tat....

But the dinosaur sticker book I have when I was young writes abt big wild cats with sabretooth. Whether animals evolved into the cats and dogs we have now is a separate issue.

davidche SG

Also, one important thing to ASIMPLELIFE, If you want everything in the bible be-evidented so u wld belive in God, then you shld read a science textbook. God is transense time and space and thus there is always some things that you don know or cant be proofed, this unprovablity only prooves MORE that God is the truth. If everything about God and the creation and stuffs can be undersood by us, then God is not God, Wer r only humans, how r we then capable of understanding Gods will? Which is y,...there r mysteries such as dinosaurs' exsitence.....

The important thing is, i repeat again, believe in God only when u believe, even if u have questions, cos it cant be all proven by evidences and explainations, we only know that God has its will and plan.....

Icemoon SG

but the behemoth's contemporary T-Rex eats meat. Laughing

vince69 SG

talk about TRex, where is SgTRex?

Icemoon SG

fighting with the velociraptors. Laughing

Icemoon SG

He had the Epic of Gilagmesh and Hammurabi Code as reference right? Mr. Green

casino_king SG

What do you understand by your own words "writen BY God THRU men?"

Why THRU men? Why not make one appear out of thin air? When it is THRU men, what is the process like? What is the feeling like when God ask a man to do something for Him? neh neh neh pooh pooh... I know.

When you are willing to humble yourself and put your faith in God, you too will know. Remember, no idols because idols reflect your arrogance as a well as is putting your faith in "not God."

Remember, Faith in God, not understanding that you need faith in God and not believing what you were taught and read, anywhere.

Lastly understand that Faith in God comes from God.

Icemoon SG

Rolling Eyes

first it is "born again".

now, it is "faith in god".

*faints*

casino_king SG

When you have Faith in God; God respond to you directly. God works with you to fulfil the will of God in your own life. The only way that God can respond to you directly is through spirit. God gives you birth of a spirit. Born Again; Born of the Spirit.

Icemoon SG

You want me to say Hallelujah? Mr. Green

casino_king SG

Hallelujah!

Mr. Green

klydeer SG

Originally posted by asimplelife:

Sorry I was busy, just logged-in and saw a lot of PMs. Thanks to all who replied.

See that the thread has gone OT quite a bit. I realise that there is a difference between the way christians and non-christians view things (from a freethinker point of view). Perhaps that is the reason why some dun see eye to eye.

Maybe let me just share my experience:

[b]Christians:

Believe in the presence of God;
Believe that the bible is true and that it is the word of God;
Believe that the bible is true (cos it is the word of God) then study the bible to comprehend the facts in it.

(Eg. For me, I've been to NCC. If I were to convert then, I would first be a christian, believe that God exists, and thus that the bible is true as it is the word of God, then study it. That is why I am still a freethinker because I require facts/scientific reasoning before I am convinced, thus my questions here).

Non-christians (a generalisation here that may be incomplete):

May believe that there is no god;
May believe that there is God but in other religions;
May be born to believe in a religion;
May be a freethinker;
May convert to christianity if they are convinced;
May need convincing of facts in the bible and religion first before believing that it is the word of God, as there are also facts in their own beliefs (could be self-beliefs or religious beliefs). This is because Christianity encompasses a lot of bible study and the sermons often use quotes from the bible. If I don't believe in the bible it is difficult to believe in God in the Chistianity context.

I have received a lot of PMs on attending courses and attending the study groups. However, I have some responding that they are also not quite sure abt the bible itself. I had expected a brief but clear outline abt the answers but I am sorry I remain unconvinced with some of the responses. I often feel that facts of life are made to fit into the bible and explain it than having the bible with clear facts to convince us. This is my personal belief and I understand that christians may have a different view on this.
[/b]

Hi asimplelife,

Perhaps the intention of many who responded to you is not so much to "convince" but lovingly, took efforts to tell you what they believe is the Truth and what they think is the better way for you to seek the Truth.

If you are really seeking, then perhaps a fair action would be to try out the ways recommended by Christians - since they have also experienced the same thing. i said this, because in the first place, i thought you asked Christians here in this forum because you thought they can help. Well we tried as far as this forum can accomodate. The rest is up to you.

So are you really seeking ?

Actually, Christians are not here to "convince" anyone through words. Nor do we convert. We can be a living testimony of God's Words and Blessings. We can care for you as if you are their fellow brother and sister - even if we do not know who you are. Some can even die for you. We can tell you what we know is the Truth not because "someone" say, but because we experienced the Truth.

Christians do not just "believe" in the Bible - We rely on the Bible as if it is our Life Vessel because the Bible teaches us how to live.

Only God can accept you into His Kingdom through your willingness to declare that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour. Only God can do things in your Life you wouldnt even know possible as a pre-believer - and mind you, not everything is going to be "good" as what the world prescribe.

I always remember what a friend told me when i first accept Christ - "Almost everything you knew is going to be thrown in an opposite direction." Through these years, i have nothing esle to refute that statement.

Well, that is so far, what is happening in my walk with God. Whether or not, you believe or want to seek further, is entirely up to how interested you are.

Blessings. Surprised

laoda99 SG

becoz i said his idol is "born again"

so he changed his idol to "faith in god"

he has many idols....

devilmor SG

1) In the bible, it does mention at one point where it says "...and other beings" which many have come to refer it as Aliens. But in your case, it can be use to explain the creation of Dinos.

2) Not all the animals. Only pairs of each kind (still, its friggin quite a lot of them). And technically, we including Noah, are all descendants of Adam and Eve. But then again, it is arguable that the Bible is not to be taken literally.

3) Natural Diasaster may be viewed as a Eco control system. hereby living things get 'refresh' and given a new order. A wake-up call if you like. For mankind, natural disasters are being viewed as destructive, bad etc. But bear in mind that it is not necessary how God views it. For christians, it is only in heaven that we attain eternal life. As much as I hate to die young, I hope this is a good enough answer.

4) Well, unlike humans, when pets or animals die, they go to a place call the "PET Cemetary" whereby they are brought to life again. If you play PC/PS games, you would understand. It is just like you dying in the game and all you do is hit the 'Reload' key and VOILA... you're back to life again. Wink Alright alright, I am kidding about this one.

« Previous Page Next Page »