Dudes, there is no need to engage CK in his own mad circle yet
again. He has seen reason, and chosen to ignore it. No amount of
abuse or showing his case to be paper thin will help unless he
decides to break the spell himself.
A person who takes no authority from any logic (because any other
logic exept his own is idolatry) cannot be hoped to be rescued by
sheer argument. And unfortunately it is here which sheer argument
mainly acts. I will sum up the way he argues with a few telling
examples.
Imagine seventy people who said that they were angry really saw a
red haze cloud their vision, and say that perhaps the phase
"red-hazed anger" might be literally true. CK would them come along
and refute them on the grounds that their testimony cannot be valid
because they were angry, and hence unable to make any judgements of
the thing then.
It's a little CK like saying the supernatural is impossible because
it is only believed by simple who are in superstition. Well one
asks CK what makes these people simple and in supersition, and he
promptly answers "the supernatural"
One could go on to argue that Iceland is impossible because only
stupid sailors have said they seen Iceland... well what makes them
stupid? The fact that they say they saw Iceland.
How would you argue with somebody who says that the bible cannot be
true faith because it is only read by idol worshippers, when asked
what makes these people idol worshippers, the answer is, "well
reading the bible of course". Obviously the flaw in his main
argument is that his very argument excludes all other kinds of
possible arguments except his own as valid, and hence it is no
surprise he goes around with his own idea of this and that ignoring
the weight of logic. He never regarded it at all.
If starting logic and ideas are idols, what exacty is the whole
system of faith he is trying to see us but starting logic and ideas
in his own head? His case self-refutes from the first word but of
course he is happily blind to them.
Of which I am not surprised at all, one can see his point of veiw
and our own as well... but he is totally blind to all points of
view but his own.
As I have said, there is no need to answer him at all, for he shall
take no answers but that he already started out with.
What is faith in God? Certainly not the thing we believe in that he
believes. And in any case it is irrelevant what he has to say about
what I believe is faith in God, because I find it very hard indeed
to take advice from somebody starting from a self-contradictary
(and he has taken no effort at all to even consider his
self-contradiction) position.
A madman can talk on to argue the case on exactly the same grounds
after they have been vapourized by the opponent, this is because
reason and logic never mattered to him in the formation of his
case, just that there is a motivation to make it come true. This
unfortunately, is what I get from CK.
So as I said brothers, our time with him is done. He could post yet
another 50 posts saying the same thing, but it won't make a dent on
the case we've built.
It is done.
