Righteousness through faith

last SG · 2006-05-02T22:04:22+00:00

had answer you this question before, go find them, I don't want to keep repeating myself.

casino_king SG

Hinduism is a catholic pantheistic religion. You people have no understanding at all. So what if it is Islamic or Hebrew scriptures? They were talking about the same Abraham as in the old testament. You know the ref throwing pearls to pigs?

since you call yourselves Christians, you mean I have to show you references from the Bible? You do not know and do not care to find out where in the old testament?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

I will be to the point.

Please learn some critical use of your sources... for all intents and means your appeal on the validity of your sources fall on the mere argument that we ought to accept them for no other reason because they are extra-Christian, and that it would be inprudent not to consider them.

Granted an outright refusal without debate would be inprudent, but before we launch into a long tirade and dogfight of argument on the validity of your sources, it would be good for you yourself to wonder if you having considered your sources valid on any other grounds besides the fact that it was extra-Christian.

I for example might accept a seccular humanist point on view on the nazis, and not the 'Christian' KKK organization's one. Obviously sheer religion is not a factor for me in considering sources, I bide you the same argument. All the same you have made your case before doing a critical proof of your sources beyond the argument that we ought to listen to it if we are not scared. I will tell you this, I am not scared to listen to them, but all the same I do not accept them yet as valid.

Do we dare launch into a long debate on this?

Icemoon SG

Then you should say panthesitic religion. Why drag Hinduism into the picture?

casino_king SG

You are not comparing apples with apples. KKK is a modern organisation. Hebrew and Islamic scriptures for all intents and purposes as old as the old testament. Furthermore it is clearly in the old testament as well:

Joshua said to all the people, "Thus says Yahweh, the God of Israel,'Your fathers lived of old time beyond the River, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nahor: and they served other gods.

THE FAMILY OF ABRAHAM
Genesis 11:26-32

Terah the father of Abram had three sons, Abram, Nahor and Haran.

Abram means "exalted father". Abram's named was later changed by God to "Abraham", meaning "father of many". (Gen. 17:5) Abram's home was a city east of Babylon called, Ur of the Chaldees. All the Bible says about Abram's father was that he had three sons and that he worshiped idols. (See Joshua 24:2)

Icemoon SG

can someone update me what's CK thesis?

why are we discussing Abraham now? Rolling Eyes

Chin Eng SG

I thought I am the only stewpig one.... I don't understand but, I dare not ask...

casino_king SG

The reference to Hinduism was to point out that even idols worshippers can and do find God like Abraham.

After finding God they start to communicate with God like the way Abraham communicates with God. Some Hindus stay where they are; worshipping the idols and observing the rituals and that is all that they do.

Christians similarly.

That is why I am of the opinion that the Roman Catholic is more in touch with the truth. They teach Faith in God (which leads to direct communication with God) but in the meantime, for those who continue to seek, they can see the statues of Jesus and Mary and the saints.

What do believers do when they gather? Rituals. The staues are meaningless, the rituals are meaningless. What is important; the aim; the whole objective is to come into direct communication with God. I said in another post, I saw a RC Priest smoking. Evengelicas will faint if their pastors smoke in church.

Evengelicals have become a religion. They look at RC and complain about wrong intepretations, wrong behavior, idol worship and propose an alternative.

Do you see the stupidity of doing that? All it does is detract the believers from Faith and direct communication with God into the right interpretations and the right "Rituals."

Now we have even evengelicas who tell you the whole point of being a Christian is prosperity. They can even produce Bible verses to "justify" their positions. I will not go into why the do that here and why they are so successful.

Before you tell me that they have interpreted it "wrongly" I tell you: Give up your focus on right and wrong intepretations and teach the seekers to find God. Teach them to be Abraham, to be Jesus."

Unfortunately the seekers will always be taught "the correct interpretations" because the pastors and teachers were appointed not because they were like Abraham and Jesus; people who have met God but because they were good in interpreting the Bible according to whatever sect appointed them.

Icemoon SG

That is why I am of the opinion that the Roman Catholic is more in touch with the truth. They teach Faith in God (which leads to direct communication with God) but in the meantime, for those who continue to seek, they can see the statues of Jesus and Mary and the saints.

Hmm .. I don't get it .. since when did the RC surpass the evangelicals in teaching faith in God?

When you have evangelicals staking their lives on a book, who teaches more faith in God?

What do believers do when they gather? Rituals. The staues are meaningless, the rituals are meaningless. What is important; the aim; the whole objective is to come into direct communication with God. I said in another post, I saw a RC Priest smoking. Evengelicas will faint if their pastors smoke in church.

Who says the rituals are meaningless?! They're what God told them to do right?

Smoking is not a clear cut sin. I guess since many churches are air-conditioned, evangelicals will faint if they find anyone smoking inside. Laughing

Before you tell me that they have interpreted it "wrongly" I tell you: Give up your focus on right and wrong intepretations and teach the seekers to find God. Teach them to be Abraham, to be Jesus."

So are you like Abraham or Jesus? Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

*shivers down my spine*

The bottom part of CK's reply sounds like McSquare! Shocked

laoda99 SG

wahahahahahahahaha

vince69 SG

Smile too tired to get involve in this, seems like its gonna be round and round the bush Wink

laoda99 SG

I tot all the while Christians have direct communication with God. When I pray and confess my sins, I pray to God in the name of Jesus, not to a priest.

And I dun believe god will make me super rich. That's charismatic teachings.

Icemoon SG

Interesting. CK is the first who uses 'evangelicals' instead of 'charismatics' for his purpose.

Usually we use "protestants". Ironside chose 'evangelicals' .. and he must be fuming on CK's choice of evangelicals.

Icemoon SG

spend more time with your daughter and wife! Mr. Green

casino_king SG

OK let's try a new tact. One by one. First.

What is the purpose of all the bible study?

laoda99 SG

To know more abt God and his plans for us?

Icemoon SG

to know you're believing in the right god?

to score A in theology?

to fellowship with fellow students?

casino_king SG

Wrong answer. What if the Bible does not exist? What if I am Abraham?

laoda99 SG

Then u must be from the meatrix...I mean matrix Mr. Green

casino_king SG

Wrong answer. Do you believe that there is only one God?

Isn't it better to talk about your experiences of God here and now?

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