RC stance on bible

laoda99 SG

Recently, I read a book on Roman Catholic history. According to the author, the 1962 Vatican II decreed that the only thing that is guaranteed correct in the bible is Christ came to die for us and he is God.

Is this true?

Icemoon SG

can't be true.

if Peter as keyholder cannot be confirmed, where lies the authority of the Pope and Vatican II?

laoda99 SG

sounds true...

but the book says: It doesn't matter if Christ has 12 apostles or 120 apostles.

Hey...anyone can confirm, the list of apostles is different from each gospel?

SingaporeMacross SG

what book is that? got imprimatur or not?

laoda99 SG

Title is Key Moments in Church History: A concise introduction to the catholic church

by Mitch Finley

He holds a M.A. in thelogy from Marquette University and is a catholic.

What is imprimatur?

ObiterDicta SG

Firstly, who is the author of that book and which document of the 2nd Vatican Council was his/she referring to?

And what does 'guaranteed correct' mean? Correctness in the theological sense, philosophical sense, historical sense, scientific sense, or what?

regards,
obiterdicta

laoda99 SG

The author of the book is one mitch finley

Title is Key Moments in Church History: A concise introduction to the catholic church

He holds a M.A. in thelogy from Marquette University and is a catholic.

let me quote for u page 4:

As the second vatican council's document on divine revelation declares, the only material in the bible tat is guaranteed to be without error is the information that is "necessary for our salvation." Whether Jesus had 12 disciples or twelve hundred is irrevelant to our salvation. That Jesus died and was raised from the dead is, however, "neccessary for our salvation" (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation).

ObiterDicta SG

Mitch Finley is a dissenting Catholic who is trying to water down Catholic teachings. I would not consider his views as being representative of the official view of the Catholic Church.

He is trying to cast a large swathe of Catholic teachings as 'non-essential' so justify why people like him do not need to obey those teachings.

As for the Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, I'll do more research and then get back to you.

regards,
obiterdicta

laoda99 SG

Dun think he is dissenting, but he is definitely a liberal.

The last page clearly shows his love for catholic church:

Catholics love being catholic, and they love their church. Most wouldn't give up on being Catholic for anything. Therefore, the Catholic Church is alive and has a lively future, a future that will bring what the future will bring. For now the church is thriving with never a dull moment.

ObiterDicta SG

You can judge the document (Latin name Dei Verbum) for yourself:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html

Go to Chapter III, sections 11 - 13.

Basically, it says that since all of Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit, then all the books of Scripture are without error. However, since human instruments were used on the writings, attention must be paid to the style of writing as well as their context.

So, Mitch Finley is either purposefully misrepresenting Dei Verbum or he has not read it properly and is talking crap.

regards,
obiterdicta

ObiterDicta SG

Haha, you are not Catholic, so it's harder for you to 'smell' a dissenter. Smile

We define 'dissenting' as those Catholics who refuse to accept completely the teachings of the Church in areas which the Church itself has declared as being essential to our salvation.

If you ask dissenters, they will tell you in no uncertain terms that they are 100% Catholic. But then the issue is this: by whose standards? In the Catholic world, there exists an objective standard. We call it the Magisterium of the Church. Dissenters can continue in their misguided beliefs. The rest of us who struggle honestly through our human imperfections to follow the commands of Christ (rather than rationalising them away as non-essentials) will continue to pray for them. Smile

regards,
obiterdicta

laoda99 SG

Thanks for pointing out his mistake.

I think he is talking crap haha....

Icemoon SG

luckily you asked.

what a wonderful forum. Mr. Green

laoda99 SG

yeah....we need such pple around in forum

just in case something we read is controversial....

SingaporeMacross SG

An Imprimatur is a signature from ecclesiastical authority that a certain book does not contradict the teachings of the Church.

Religious Superior's stamp: IMPRIMI POTEST "it can be printed"
Censor's stamp: NIHIL OBSTAT "nothing stands in the way"
Bishop's stamp: IMPRIMATUR "let it be printed"

Honeybunz SG

why are there different topics on the same thing : Roman Catholic Church.

very waste of space leh

vince69 SG

cause its a hot topic mah... Rolling Eyes

laoda99 SG

yeah...must know more abt RC faith

unker vince! so are we changing benue?

vince69 SG

wrong place lah. back to the correct topic we discuss there.

laoda99 SG

ok!!!