Buddhism and Christianity

last SG · 2006-05-08T20:16:46+00:00

You don't start new thread can die issit?

laoda99 SG

Do mystics believe the soul must leave the body so that can be liberated? (e.g. thru death)

If this is so, I have got one extreme example of mysticism....not targetted at Buddhism, but think this example should be avoided at all cost Mr. Green

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/dept/RE/SrSeminar03/Brundage03.htm

Flaming Lotus: Sacrifice in

Buddhist Practice

Sarah Brundage

As with many religions, Buddhism offers its practitioners the opportunity for different levels of involvement on the spiritual path towards enlightenment. This spectrum of involvement ranges from one who practices with minimal sacrifice primarily to achieve personal spiritual gain to one who sacrifices his or her life with the hope of benefiting all of humanity. Furthermore, as a person moves along this spectrum from little to great sacrifice, one also harbors a growing commitment to the spiritual welfare of all sentient beings. As the kinds of practice and sacrifice are explained for different levels of involvement in the religion, it will become clear that the relative commitment to help others directly correlates to the stage of practice and sacrifice. [color=brown]Additionally, an intriguing comparison will be made between these concepts within Buddhism and very similar concepts with the Jewish tradition of mystical or contemplative death.....[/color]

An Eternal Now SG

Jesus spoke from his union with God which is beyond comprehension. From the mystics viewpoint Jesus has already completely relinquished all his ego and let God overtake him.

'and isn't buddha teaching in the higher realms?'

Don't get you. What are you asking?

laoda99 SG

I think AEN is speaking from the stand of Buddhism mysticism..... Mr. Green

An Eternal Now SG

Originally posted by laoda99:
Do mystics believe the soul must leave the body so that can be liberated? (e.g. thru death)

No. That is one part I do not agree with Gospel of Judas documentary - that Jesus died because of that particular reason. I believe Jesus died for another reason. A mystic is beyond bondage by his body even during life.

An Eternal Now SG

Christian mysticism.

Buddhists dont really speak like that..

laoda99 SG

So in ur view, why did Jesus died Question

laoda99 SG

no meh? U mean Buddhism dun have mysticism? Tibetan Buddhism look very "mystic" to me...can levitate in the air somemore....

An Eternal Now SG

To show us the way and induce stigmata.

vince69 SG

The different between the two of us,
you says Mystic Christian is another form of christian teaching.
my view is that they are not even christian teaching at all (at best can only call them rojak anything also can mix type)
Quoting the Bible does not means its christian teaching if the interpretation is not inline with what the Bible is saying.

laoda99 SG

u mean the "stigmata" as in catholic context? why must induce stigmata?...bery occultic to me..... Shocked

vince69 SG

I think he is refering to the Buddhist way, just setting an example to follow.

Ito_^ SG

doesn't dat somehow prove that buddha is still an individual? and not one of a great mass of unspeakable reality?

anyways.. when jesus spoke to god before he was arrested by the rome dudes, he was with his own personality and individuality. this was proven when he was crucified, he cried out to god for help and questioned his method even for a spilt second. it proves he is still human at that point; his ego exists.

An Eternal Now SG

"The cross is a torture instrument. It stands for the most extreme suffering, limitation and helplessness a human being can encounter. Then suddenly that human being surrenders, suffers willingly, consciously, expressed through the words 'Not my will but Thy will be done.' At that moment, the cross, the torture instrument, shows its hidden face: it is also a sacred symbol, a symbol for the divine.

That which seemed to deny the existence of any transcendental dimension to life, through surrender becomes and opening into that dimension'

- Eckhart Tolle

laoda99 SG

I have a question, if everyone can become a mystic and join "god" his own way (becoz he can communicate direct to "god"), then why do they need mystical "Jesus" to show them the way? Can just bypass mystical "Jesus" mah.... Mr. Green

Ito_^ SG

if mystisim teaches that the traditional way of churches, etc, is incorrect, isn't it dualism itself?

but i dun think he meant this right? in fact, traditional religion is not incorrect..?

An Eternal Now SG

Originally posted by Ito_^:

doesn't dat somehow prove that buddha is still an individual? and not one of a great mass of unspeakable reality?

Still don't get you.

Buddha is fully human, but also 'fully divine' - or rather, 'fully enlightened'.

anyways.. when jesus spoke to god before he was arrested by the rome dudes, he was with his own personality and individuality. this was proven when he was crucified, he cried out to god for help and questioned his method even for a spilt second. it proves he is still human at that point; his ego exists.

Yes - but after he surrendered, at that point, the Cross becomes a symbol of the divine.

Wait - I didn't type the Eckhart Tolle's part after reading your message - what a conincidence.

laoda99 SG

mystics believe must be tortured than can see the light? Shocked Shocked

vince69 SG

the first one is, aim to become like Christ, fully human, yet fully divine (ie. god)

the second is, Christ had become god, like Christ, human can also become god.

any diffferent in meaning other than the way its being phrase?

An Eternal Now SG

Not incorrect. It just is. In the eyes of the mystic he holds no discriminations.

However he sees what the other doesn't see. He is in union with God.

An Eternal Now SG

Mystics believe that in whatever situations, even the most horrible situation, once you surrender to God, that torture instrument will become the symbol of the divine. And Jesus showed us very clearly how it can be done.

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