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Honeybunz SG

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Topic : Benedict condemns gay marriages

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Originally posted by dreameryb:
Agree. Sometimes its just hard to reason with Christians on certian issues becuase they would put forward an argument on the sole ground that "because the Bible says so". This is circular logic becuase they treat the bible as axiomatic without proving thus in advance. Using religious convictions to cement one's argument simply does not tally. If it does, people would quote the bible in examination essays. They dont do that, do they? I do respect whatever religion people choose to believe in but it is dangerous to impose their own religious thinking on others.

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29 July 2005 · 12:34 AM

Honeybunz SG

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the Bear SG

well, it's hard to tell people to "BELIEVE!!" when they don't..

and that's what christians seem to do a lot of.. trying to cram their beliefs down other people's throats... while rejecting outright other people's beliefs...

it's a kind of hypocrisy to me..

laoda99 SG

1. Why do u see christians cram their beliefs down other people's throats?

2. So when other people's beliefs is rejected outright, it is injustice. But when Christian beliefs are put down, Christians deserved it? Is this not hypocrisy?

Icemoon SG

is it not hypocrisy if, ultimately, secular humanism is shoved down people’s throat?

the Bear SG

live and let live Wink

if someone doesn't like what i say, i should not keep badgering that person..

likewise, if i don't like what they say, they should stop badgering me...

Icemoon SG

in all fairness .. has the Pope imposed his religious thinking on others? or is he just making his conviction known?

Chin Eng SG

Surprised this is a good one.....
All leaders will have their personal conviction, all the more a religious leaders. Would it please the world if a religious leader to appear wishy washy about issues that are controversial to start with. While political leaders can attempt to spin their political stance to cater to the different lobby groups, religious leaders need to have a strong "biblical" stance.

At the end of the day, so what???

The non-Christians will continue to do whatever they want,
The pro-leader Christians will continue to feel that this leader is the anointed one,
The anti-leader Christians will do their own thing on the said issue.

Hey, personally, I am a self-declared homophobic but because I am a small fry in the big ocean, I don't need to declare my convictions.

[email protected] SG

lets just say it is unfair to call homosexuals anarchists. But then, what do u expect from someone who was a Nazi soldier?

[email protected] SG

but then there is no basis for your faith either because the bible is not hard evidence either.

and yes, homosexuals are unimpinging on others. They're just people who want to live life and fall in love. Of course most of the heterosexual in singapore may have a different view. Why? singaporean heterosexuals tend to be very bigoted, just because something is different or in the minority, they assume it has to be wrong. They're heterosexist in the same way that the whites used to have this white superiority view of themselves. Most of my heterosexual friends in UK feel there is certainly nothing wrong with homosexuality. If u're homosexual, u are homosexual. If u're heterosexual, u're heterosexual. There is no "better to be either" any more than it is better to be white or black.

stupidissmart SG

If a person come and say "I don't like Indians" and u r an indian, how do u feel ? Worse still if u r a leader for a particular group of people who can influence and alter their view and stand, and u openly discrimate against another group of people, is tat practise encourage or discourage ? Lets give a hypothetical example of some "pope" from some religion openly declared tat being "left handed" is wrong and these people should change and try to use the right hand. And then a lot of people suddenly view these lefthanded as some form of abomination. If u r a lefthanded how will u feel ?

If he dare to make such comments he should be prepared for the backlash. Rolling Eyes

Icemoon SG

There is certainly something "not quite right" about homosexuality from the nature point of view.

I don't see how they can procreate naturally?

laoda99 SG

Originally posted by [email protected]:
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but then there is no basis for your faith either because the bible is not hard evidence either.
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Then to each his own. Believe in what u deem as hard evidence then.

laoda99 SG

What I feel: The pope make this statement in view of falling morality in the church. Think this is a necessary 'evil'. For pple of other faiths e.g Islam, they have their codes of laws which is understood what is forbidden and what is not. No mullah will need to make a statement abt that.

Icemoon SG

You are mixing personal preference with discrimination.

I mean, are we all obliged to like every single human on earth?

Icemoon SG

laoda .. go read up on Platinga's apologetics and what it means to have a "properly basic belief " Very Happy

Icemoon SG

What is Islam's stand on the issue?

If they follow the OT closely, then they should also hate the sin but not the sinner.

laoda99 SG

Think u should talk to muslims abt this.

One of my muslim fren had strong objections to the issue of homosexuality. I will end here.

[email protected] SG

really? then u have to explain to me why it is so rampant in so many species in the wild. My point is that there are enough heterosexuals to ensure the species's survival thru procreation, so whats "not quite right" about the existance of homosexuality alongside heterosexuality?

[email protected] SG

well I guess not. But still we shouldn't spread discrimination right? I mean, when SIS says of someone who "doesn't like indians/chinese/whites/blacks" he means those who feel that indians/chinese/whites/blacks are inferior in any way. it applies the same to sexuality, and I must say that there are some of your religion who are less than cordial about their discrimination, and then when confronted about it, claim that I just because I do not agree with said discrimination, I am the actual bigot. It is very disconcerting, especially when said persons are supposedly God's followers.