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last SG · 2005-07-30T10:17:39+00:00

is it not hypocrisy if, ultimately, secular humanism is shoved down people’s throat?

laurence82 SG

but if u explain unexplainables, u must use logic wad...

i rather term these as 'hidden truth and logic'

it take men centuries to discover things ard him, and even now we are learning

its never too old to learn..

laurence82 SG

nvm that post, i think i got my ans somewhere...

jnwk SG

How do you use logic to explain the existence of man, earth, universe and most importantly ELEMENTS?

Anticipating a good answer from your worldview. Smile

laurence82 SG

Originally posted by jnwk:

How do you use logic to explain the existence of man, earth, universe and most importantly [b]ELEMENTS?

Anticipating a good answer from your worldview. Smile [/b]

The answers already lies in the post u quoted

Over the past centuries, man has come up with new theories and debunk the old ones, just like what happened to Vatican's view the earth is the centre of the universe ..sad for the victims of the Inquisition

Thats why i use the term hidden truth and logic. I dont think man will ever absorb all the knowledge in this world and the universe

Which lead me to one topic in the Shredded Brain forum

its abt people using one aspect of psychology to explain for the existence of god or to support the doctrines of their religion

by the way, from what i know, its illegal in Australia and possibly other places where psychological research is well developed

it says that if you cant explain for the existence or cause of sumething, doesnt mean it isnt there..similarly, if i cant explain it, doesnt mean conclusively there is god who is behind those things

there is a reason why most of the christians in this forum argue on basis on faith, not logic

i hope this answer ur question Laughing

jnwk SG

You answers shows that you are inclined towards Gnostic belief. Oh dear..... Shocked

Just to confirm...... So you think all the elements exist by itself in the beginning? Or just because you dunno the answers, you think there are something hidden from you as you did not exist long long in the past?

Pls do not be offended. I think you provide answers which are illogical unacceptable because you seem to be going round the questions and avoiding a stand and you defend it by jumping to a conclusion that any answers are possible. Tell me your stand: Have you concluded if there is/are God/gods?

I leave it to the rest of the forumers to comment le. Wink

laurence82 SG

actually i already said it long time ago

i dont believe the bibles thats all

besides, my post isnt jumping around the point

many christians prey on non believers, most who arent learned or read enuff to provide their own conclusions, to convert them into chirstians, thats why i state such uses in pyschology is banned

by the way, my stance are taken from arguments or from discussion of those how dwell on it, if u are too shallow to comprehend, i dont mind.. Laughing

i can see it from the the moment u dont seems to understand perspectives, truth and the everchanging world...

laurence82 SG

gnostic? knowledge?

thats what i believe in, knowledge

Laughing

jnwk SG

No, I say your answers to my questions. Not your posts................

And the arguement and discussion are taken from?

Ya, ya, you are really a wonderful knowledgeable laurence82. Me you yan bu jian tian shan lar.... Laughing

Forumers will comment on it.

Fullstop.

laurence82 SG

I tot i say The Shredded Brain forum, or shall i highlight in red?

Laughing

I dont many people hanging ard to comment anyway...

mods busy, people who should be mod also busy, people who stray in from time to time...

plo30360 SG

That is both a steryotype(can't spell) and true.

Lets suppose for a moment that faith works on a higher level of logic. Now as I've mentioned earlier somewhere, man does not posses the adequate tools(or doesn't even know the type of tools he needs) or skills to study this higher level of logic.

So what are we left with; even if the faithful would debate using secular reasoning it simply is not possible.Why?

Secular reasoning does not have the adequate tools(or doesn't even have the type of tools needed) or skills to study this higher level of logic. Nor does it intend to have.Simply because some aspects of religion goes against concepts fixed in stone.

Finally the methods of secular reasoning is meant eventually to abolish religion, so if by the defintion of logic (secular reasoning) stated in this case would make it very difficult.

laurence82 SG

If assuming people agree this logic you state is beyond secular reasoning, or far superior... Laughing

plo30360 SG

I did not state it is beyond secular resoning, I merely said its difficult to use a tool not meant for a certain purpose.

Lets us put it this way:

You have a plastic knife to cut warm butter with. The plastic knife would represent the tool you use to gauge(measure) your logic(the butter).

Now in this situation, you give me this plastic butter knife and tell me to cut a well-done steak...

And finally, there is the question of who defines what 'logic' is, its boundaries and the tools used to gauge it?

laurence82 SG

Like you said, and i quote, if faith works on a higher level of logic

I believe, as to the first post i wrote that you quoted, that these two use different logic, or reasoning, whatever u like..which you have exemplified in this post i quote

Mr. Green

plo30360 SG

Then, I guess it is my bad for using the word 'higher'. I could not find a better word and to use the concept 'different logic' does not convey the full intended meaning.

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