Hurricane Katrina from a Christian perspective

Chin Eng SG

Therotically you are quite right.

I have a thing about "Christian" articles that makes all kinds of claims. In this case, the article posted contained dubious claims about the withdrawal of the Jews in Gaza, which to me is ludicrious at best. Here is what I mean by "spiritualizing" the events. I can always write and quote some verses on the "evil of sin on the island of Bali" but what does that achieve, aside from sounding extremely inflammatory to non-Christians?

I am in full agreement about defending or giving answers, but haven't you experience that because this is a faceless and nameless forum, most of the times it is useless?

happyharvest SG

As for "Christian" articles that makes all kinds of claims, I juz read it(if got time), never really believe it fully. TYhat article, I din even read it lar. Actually for the "spiritualizing" the events is juz speculating lo. As long as we know our scipture well, we will be able to recognise what is right teachings and what is wrong teachings lor. The bible tells us to test everything and hold on to the good and it also teaches us how to recognise wat is from God and what is not lo. So it is important to have know your scripture well.

Err.... becos it is faceless and nameless, how you know some of them has not get into something? We plant God seeds and hopefully it will grow by the Holy Spirit guidance. Some of the people do not like to talk face to face, they like privacy. So a nameless and faceless is necessary to reach out to such people. I dun think it is useless. only that person knows. Those non-christians who talk a lot here are obviously coming here to challenge us. Hopefully we plant some seeds in other forumer ........

Chin Eng SG

I am not at all saying that should not discuss, defend and clarify. Note that I have never ever said that we ignore all the queries that come, especially the genuine ones. I have also never said that we should not share our PERSONAL experiences. All the more, I say we should share what we have experience as much as possible. Our sharing should not be: I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend, rather, it should I felt the Lord today, or the Lord spoke to me in this way.

My entire argument is specifically to just ONE article, mirroring similar articles that I have come across, one that makes dubious claims. That is all.

You wrote: "The bible tells us to test everything and hold on to the good and it also teaches us how to recognise wat is from God and what is not lo. So it is important to have know your scripture well."

Superficially, this is a very grand statement, but the truth is: why is it that there are cults and churches with strange agendas. It is precisely people choose to decide for themselves what is good and what is not. I am sure that there are folks at CHC who will state that they have tested and found the church to be good too, any many of these will back up their beliefs with scripture as well. But does that prove anything?

M©+square SG

Originally posted by Chin Eng:
I am not at all saying that should not discuss, defend and clarify. Note that I have never ever said that we ignore all the queries that come, especially the genuine ones. I have also never said that we should not share our PERSONAL experiences. All the more, I say we should share what we have experience as much as possible. Our sharing should not be: I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend, rather, it should I felt the Lord today, or the Lord spoke to me in this way.

[b]My entire argument is specifically to just ONE article, mirroring similar articles that I have come across, one that makes dubious claims. That is all.

You wrote: "The bible tells us to test everything and hold on to the good and it also teaches us how to recognise wat is from God and what is not lo. So it is important to have know your scripture well."

Superficially, this is a very grand statement, but the truth is: why is it that there are cults and churches with strange agendas. It is precisely people choose to decide for themselves what is good and what is not. I am sure that there are folks at CHC who will state that they have tested and found the church to be good too, any many of these will back up their beliefs with scripture as well. But does that prove anything?[/b]

Woah!!!!

I guess even if i'm trying to say this for ten years. No one would heed...
But Uncle Chin Engz chu mah...confirm got the water.

Well Done uncle!!! Keep it up. Laughing

Cheers

happyharvest SG

oic, I think I would rather share it elsewhere. Not here. ops, I have done it here a few times in the past. Embarassed You set an example here lar, okay??

Oooo.... we should focus on that article argument thingy and not deviate from other thing.... ok..get it...

How do you decide what the Lord has spoken to you and what is not? How do we recognise that is the correct God's voice? People can also misinterpret anything as God's voice. People may argue that please don't link everything to God.

There are many ways as in people want to interpret the scripture. And there are also many reasons why they want to interpret it that way. If they have a motive in interpreting it in this way, God will know. There is no judge to tell us what is right and wrong interpretations, right now. But there is one thing as commonly accepted interpretations by some groups. Be it right or wrong, it is between them and God lo.

Okay lar, never expect to have a debate with you lar. Lao jiao Vs newbie ...... Laughing

Chin Eng SG

First and foremost, let me state that my opinions remain specifically my own. It does not represent all Christians and neither does it represent my church. I have seen too many articles circulated by well-meaning Christians trying to show the works of the Lord, or testimonies of Christians, while some are true, some are simply stupid or even false. That being the case, what is the difference between the boy who cried wolf? Here's where I mean when I said, that sometimes we kill our own credibility in our zeal to spread the good word.

How do you decide what the Lord has spoken to you and what is not? How do we recognise that is the correct God's voice? People can also misinterpret it as God's voice. People may argue that please don't link everything to God.

This to me, is a very personal issue. I personally have almost never make a statement like: the lord has spoken to me. (I did it once and kinda of regretted it). I have heard my own church members making such declarations, but for most parts, it seems to be their own voice talking. Of course, I would not openly confront someone over this, at least this person has the gumption to state that it is HIS OWN experience, not someone elses.
What do you do when you choke of food? Declare that God is no happy with your love for buffet?

There are many ways as in people want to interpret the scripture in that way. If they have a motive in interpreting it in this way, God will know. There is no judge to tell us what is right and wrong interpretations, right now. But there is one thing as commonly accepted interpretations by some groups. Be it right or wrong, it is between them and God lo.

Personal interpretation can go haywire, which is why I do not do that. In reading any passage, and I need further clarification I would read the entire chapter, or context. I would also subsequently consult the various concordances and cross reference any thing that I might be able to find. Most Bible scholars do not deviate greatly in their interpretative writing, which also take into consideration of the context of any passage.

Okay lar, never expect to have a debate with you lar. Lao jiao Vs newbie ......

Lao jiao can be wrong also. Laughing

Got to go... got a plane to catch....

happyharvest SG

We shall stop our discussion/debate/argument here. I don't want to continue the discussion/debate/argument juz to prove who is right and who is wrong. Pointless. If God is faithful, He will tell us in some ways.

See you uncle Chin eng. Have a safe trip. God bless you.

happyharvest SG

Originally posted by Chin Eng:
[b]
This to me, is a very personal issue. I personally have almost never make a statement like: the lord has spoken to me. (I did it once and kinda of regretted it). I have heard my own church members making such declarations, but for most parts, it seems to be their own voice talking. Of course, I would not openly confront someone over this, at least this person has the gumption to state that it is HIS OWN experience, not someone elses.
What do you do when you choke of food? Declare that God is no happy with your love for buffet?[b]

Sorry... I re-read and saw something. Just some questions la. Can a person experience what other people experience becos he/she has first-hand contact with that person? If that person experience it and trust in the sharer, wouldn't he/she be allow to share it to other people becos he is convicted it is true? Just listen to other people testimony/witness -- would you believe them? Or just treat it as a story-telling time? I dunno how most other people do.

Regards

Ito_^ SG

if two different person shared the same events, their experiences are unique to their own. i'd treat them as story-telling if they are second hand accounts. sometimes, we can't even trust ourselves to be telling the truth.

oya.. personally, i think the article is bullshit.

Chin Eng SG

Was catching a flight home, not going away.
Finally back home.....

Look at it this way....
1. you can write about how healing came to a friend of a friend of a friend.

2. or the friend (or you) shared about how God healed you?

While even coming from you, I don't know you personally and there is also no way to verify whether the sharing is true or not, but at least it is a first hand story and I will give you the benefit of doubt out of respect for you.

For most parts, when a Christian brother/sister forward emails (that we all get all the time) about blessings/healings/testimonies, there are no ways to verify them because the events either took place far away or with people we don't know.

happyharvest SG

Welcome back.

Walau, you keeping saying you don't know people well enough.... I think a forum functions for people who dunno each other to come together to talk talk lo. Aiya, dun want to say much, wait debate continues. Maybe Singaporeans are still conservative lo....

Refering to your last paragraph: then KIV lo.

laurence82 SG

That is nuts.

I can start my racist blog, and if you choose not to view if it offend you.

With regards to the latest brouhaha over the breaches of Sedition Act, you think this kind of argument hold water? Rolling Eyes

happyharvest SG

Err....excuse me. I was saying condemning other religion in EH lar. I was saying that we share knowledge of our faith here lar. But you only see a few of the people like to condemn other religion lo. I think I din ever condemn except question a bit here and there ba.

What is past is past. Don't keep holding on to grudges. They are heavy. Well, maybe some is strong enough to carry. I dunno.

laurence82 SG

Then refer to the John the Baptist thread where i talk abt fanatics and the harm one group of people can cause thru their words and actions....

laurence82 SG

So can condemn or hint in another forum rite? Laughing

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=156258

happyharvest SG

Shocked Why did the U.S. want to do that?

photo_seeker SG

If you ask why the innocent one had also perished during the Hurricane Katrina, why not you think why did God send the flood down during Noah’s time? You will never know why God decide to do something until the day of His second coming.

sophia SG

Me too Mr. Green

Christians kill Christians' words just like Christians delete Christian's ' Doctrine ' ! Laughing

M©+square SG

I'm not sure if i can agree with you.

But The Great Flood in Genesis had a very very clear agenda. And All who reads the bible should know why God sent the flood.
So the purpose is clear in Genesis.

It's not a good comparision.

cheers

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