What does the meaning of beliving in god mean?

last SG · 2005-10-11T14:03:27+00:00

are there verse that relay how god tell his people not to lose hope at anytime?

M©+square SG

Wah...try getting me involved with this great paradox ah!?
Very evil oh Twisted Evil

Icemoon SG

God never promised "And they will always be good". Where got liar? God just said they were good when created - meaning God never created evil.

He became a devil by his own actions. God never forced him to. This one I know.

And did he ? he didn't and he even invent the snake when he know it is gonna tempt eve to eat the fruit. As said, he knew tat all these is gonna happen yet still put put all the factors there anyway. About aedesmpsquitoes, when adam scold a vulgarity if it bits him does god go and virtually destroy the whole world because of it ? If he do, then something is really wrong about god's idea of free will

God told them not to eat. Since the snake was not god in disguise (snake never claimed to be god anyway), effectively this means God's orders were not superseded in any ways. Yah so He did.

God never put "sinful" factors there to tempt the couple. The tree was just not meant for the couple's consumption, period. If it is not for you, then it is not for you. If a girl is not yours, she is not yours, you can't just rape her and put the blame on her parents right? Dunno what u mean by God destroying the world 'cos of aedes mosquitoes ..

Tat is a snake. But if u believe it is a devil, then why does god blame men for eating the fruit when it is obvious men will lose to the devil's lies

I think the Jews dun associate the snake with the devil, so this is entirely the Christian argument from theology.

There were no lies. The devil told the truth, almost every words of it. But there is no excuse for disobedience. God told them not to eat. Period.

Do I add any insults to u when I reply ? Well it shows your character

Well .. many forummers have tried to explain to you, but with low success rate. The facts speak for themselves. I never insult you wor.

So wat happen to yoru statement about the gospel ? Jesus still fails to bring men under complete obedience right ?

God gave you something more palatable; He shows us what Adam should be. Jesus triumphed where Adam failed; both were tempted by the devil.

Well, your god is a murderous field tat slaughter people without battling an eyelid and also degrades women to be silent slaves. Not much better here

That's fine. We won't charge you with sedition over this. Laughing

Icemoon SG

either you or fandango. Twisted Evil

stupidissmart SG

If everything is made good, then wat is the thing tat start to make things bad ? Rolling Eyes Is it things will definitely become bad after a brief period of warranty or "something" tat make it bad ?

Why don't u be more specific and tell the complete picture of why the angel of music become a devil ? God expected the "devil" to become the "devil" the moment he is created. In fact the devil is really guided by god's action to become the thing he is now. Even god himself claims he made good and evil as well as saying the pharoah acts like wat he is acting jut because he made him as such

God told them not to eat. Since the snake was not god in disguise (snake never claimed to be god anyway), effectively this means God's orders were not superseded in any ways. Yah so He did.

the snake is created by god, he expect the snake to behave the way he did and he didn't stop all the things to develop. Effectively tis is just a trap or a show

God never put "sinful" factors there to tempt the couple. The tree was just not meant for the couple's consumption, period. If it is not for you, then it is not for you. If a girl is not yours, she is not yours, you can't just rape her and put the blame on her parents right? Dunno what u mean by God destroying the world 'cos of aedes mosquitoes ..

The factors r god putting such a tree within their grasp, god create the snake knowing he will tempt adam, god create adam knowing he will be tempted (adam is pure or "good" before he eat the fruit and yet he still eat it)and god did nothing to stop this from happening nor do anything to remedy the situtation (like reversing time or forcing the fruit out). Being a perfect all-knowing being he did set the preparations for his show

if according to u, then men is against the devil on whether to eat or not eat the fruit. How can men triump over the devil by themselves

Well .. many forummers have tried to explain to you, but with low success rate. The facts speak for themselves. I never insult you wor.

The words u say r as plain as day a clear insult. I have try explaining things to u but with low success rate as well. Do I go around talking about your intelligence ?

God gave you something more palatable; He shows us what Adam should be. Jesus triumphed where Adam failed; both were tempted by the devil.

Tat is simply because jesus is god and adam is man. If adam fails, it really means god fails as he is the one creating adam. And u r again disgressing from the fact tat u say the gospel can make men obedient when it clearly cannot

ghimpheng SG

If he had created adam as perfect as him,we will have adam as god too So It does not mean that adam fail then god fail.If Human do 1 mistake and repent I can also consider that humans had failed from the point that you have mentioned mean all go to hell ?

ghimpheng SG

There only one god i suppose....

ghimpheng SG

as I have said and will say it again if he had made adam perfect "Adam would be a god too".

M©+square SG

You and i or fadango know very well that, this issue has no absolute answer only absolute personal belief.

So no point la. Rolling Eyes Haiz

Icemoon SG

God did not create beings and plant into them all the possible actions they could that. We are not machines. Our actions are, arguably, not deterministic.

No to your second qn.

Why don't u be more specific and tell the complete picture of why the angel of music become a devil ?

bible got say or not? I think it only mentions pride for Satan.

the snake is created by god, he expect the snake to behave the way he did and he didn't stop all the things to develop. Effectively tis is just a trap or a show

Are you god? Why are you making assumptions of how god behaves and thinks? God is eternal. He has no notion of time as perceived by us human beings.

I won't waste time on the rest of the questions. You already have difficulty understanding the notion of eternity. Mr. Green

utterly waste of time, all your questions hinge on your understanding (read: self-claimed understanding) of eternity.

M©+square SG

Heh. Then how do you define perfect?

The first created men is perfect - naked.
It might not mean perfect as like of God-like.
But to see God and fellowship with Him on earth, which Adam did, one have to be blemishless.
In God's perspective, Adam and Eve must have been perfect in His eyes, only that they did not have the capacity to comprehend God himself.

Cheers

Icemoon SG

I think the Calvinist's defense in the predestination vs. foreknowledge issue very interesting leh.

For me, if you can take the calvinist position and explain the issue in your own words hor .. your theology should be quite good.

I don't think I can. I believe you can. Mr. Green

M©+square SG

You so trusting....

Rare gem, you are. Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

edit: should be foreknowledge vs. free will issue.

stupidissmart SG

God did not create beings and plant into them all the possible actions they could that. We are not machines. Our actions are, arguably, not deterministic.

No to your second qn.

U r not answering the question. Now it is clear tat not everything is not good. In fact a lot of things r pretty bad. If no "bad things" r created, then why will things be bad now ? Why will the devil become bad ? I had said if things r bad now, it only means 2 conclusions. God did not create everything good. (God himself admit he made darkness and evil) or everything become bad after a period of time. Or maybe u can try to give another possible conclusion to it.

Are you god? Why are you making assumptions of how god behaves and thinks? God is eternal. He has no notion of time as perceived by us human beings.

U r using the number 1 commonly used answer in here. God is mysterious and no one understand why he do the things he did. Then no use talking about it. It is a no brainer and lousy answer and u can answer everything with it.

I won't waste time on the rest of the questions. You already have difficulty understanding the notion of eternity.

utterly waste of time, all your questions hinge on your understanding (read: self-claimed understanding) of eternity.

Yayaya... where in the replies do u see anything to do with eternal ? Laughing All the while I just see u trying to avoid here and there instead of answering can a god be perfect or not.

Icemoon SG

You want to understand God and His actions?

Fine. Then use a proper theological framework. Which philosophy you comfortable? Is the Reformed position ok with you?

Anything is better than you anyhow hoot. You are obviously putting God in a box and subjecting God to your own human-centric analysis. And by the way, I dunno what theistic philosophy you using.

Icemoon SG

Like happyharvest like to say, your qns have been answered through the ages.

If you are so keen .. then read up on the Reformed position. Then post your critique and we can have a proper discussion.

That's right. A critique.

happyharvest SG

(Try to) Focus on the context of discussion and not the person. This will not lead the discussion astray. It is rather effective, I believe.

stupidissmart SG

Laughing

U must really be a textbook kind of person. I ask a question, and if u think u can reply then reply. If u can't reply then don't need to. Why should I stick with a textbook kind of model ? U mean all the questions must be from some models made by someone somewhere ? then like tat no one is gonna ask any question in forums anymore and even if they do, it is a stale question. Maybe u should write a critique on why I should write a critique then I will consider your application Laughing

Icemoon SG

You want to play serious mah.

So we do like we do research paper like that. Use proper framework. Do literature review and its critique.

Icemoon SG

You use a human centric framework to argue your point. Prove it. Where is the literature review? Which scholar supported this position?

Or else just admit you dunno anything about how God operates.

Yayaya... where in the replies do u see anything to do with eternal ? All the while I just see u trying to avoid here and there instead of answering can a god be perfect or not.

Ok .. I ask you one question. If you agree that everything was orignally "very good", then when do you think they started turning "bad"?

If you dun believe they were originally very good when created, then we have nothing further to discuss.

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