The nature of Christ

SingaporeMacross SG · 2005-07-04T00:59:39+00:00

I believed Jesus was tempted and went thru many tribulations as a human on Earth. If he was not the son of GOD and was just a man of sin like anyone of us, h...

SingaporeMacross SG

Jesus Christ is both God and Man. What say you?

laoda99 SG

Agreed. Christ is fully man and fully God. As God, he was able to atone and forgive our sins. As man, he was able to sympathise with our sorrows and weaknesses. If he is just another ordinary man like one of us, he wouldn't be able to save us from sins. This is one of the basic tenets in Christianity. If we do not believe that Christ is God, Christ will just be like a mere prophet whose death may not be that significant. We may also disqualify to call ourselves 'christians' which the early church fathers had maintained.

To the Jews, this is blasphemy as they believe GOD will never come down to us as a man. Think this is the sensitive issue which people would disputed.

Icemoon SG

SingaporeMacross, throw in a few heresies that involve the nature of Christ .. to make the discussion more challenging. Very Happy

You can start with Nestorian theology ..

Icemoon SG

Huh .. as God He could also do that .. God in the OT did that .. you don't need a man to do that.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

He is certainly not just a 'great teacher' or 'very moral man'

He is either who he claims to be, or a lunatic on the level of a man who says he's a poached egg, a devil of hell or something worse, we must make our choice but no nonsense about Jesus just being a teacher or moral person.

laoda99 SG

Christ is definitely human as well as GOD. Dun really want to go into the theological aspect of it, but as the son of man, his total obedience to GOD is what every human should emulate. As man, he was tempted by Satan and
his obedience and trust in GOD allowed him to emerge victorious. As man, he was sorrowful when Lazarus whom he dearly loved died. As man, he was angry that his father's temple was turned into a den of thieves. As man, he become sorrowful and prayed when he knew he has to follow his father's will and not his own, that is to die for our sins. As man, he went through every suffering imaginable as he tried to establish the permanent link between the father and man. His human body was beaten and broken and then crucified on the cross. He died as a human, flesh and blood, not an astral body.

If ever in OT this permanent relationship between GOD and man has been served, there would never been a need for Christ to come as man. I believe GOD did not even need to do this (by coming to us as human). He did this because he truely loves us and not forsake us.

A dot dot B dot dot SG

That's my line. Evil or Very Mad

dragg SG

of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit!!!

SingaporeMacross SG

I wonder how bad it was for him to deal with temptation.

Icemoon SG

from who? Mary Magdalene? Very Happy

which reminds me .. since Jesus is 100% human, if he lusts after woman in his mind, just that "one streak of thought", he has sinned right?

SingaporeMacross SG

Lol you think what? The last tempation of Christ ah? Smile

Ito_^ SG

satan?

i suddenly imagined a beard faggot in red dress revealing his hairy cleavege trying to tempt jesus.. Shocked ew.

Icemoon SG

why no one can ans this qn?

Jesus from the time he reached bar mitzah until he was crucified .. really never broke any of the laws meh?

Not like he whole day stay in shaolin temple and do nothing but meditate (monks stay away from women, thai monks are forbidden to be touched by women, even their mums I heard) .. Jesus was accompanied by so many ladies.

The Mary or Martha (forgot which) even stayed so close to him and cleaned his feet?

Really no "one streak" of lustful thought? He most likely doesn't have any girlfriend, so that makes the problem even worse?

And since christians think that masturbation is a sin, so he never did that also!

[email protected] SG

scitology or something. Christ was an alien. Laughing

SingaporeMacross SG

Arianism (4th Century)

Arius taught that Christ was a creature made by God.

Nestorianism (5th Century)

This heresy about the person of Christ was initiated by Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople, who denied Mary the title of Theotokos (Greek: "God-bearer" or, less literally, "Mother of God"). Nestorius claimed that she only bore Christs human nature in her womb, and proposed the alternative title Christotokos ("Christ-bearer" or "Mother of Christ").

Monophysitism (5th Century)

Monophysitism originated as a reaction to Nestorianism. The Monophysites (led by a man named Eutyches) were horrified by Nestoriuss implication that Christ was two people with two different natures (human and divine). They went to the other extreme, claiming that Christ was one person with only one nature (a fusion of human and divine elements). They are thus known as Monophysites because of their claim that Christ had only one nature (Greek: mono = one; physis = nature).

laoda99 SG

Hmm....if the devil can personally tempted him and promised him all the powers in the world, and he still emerge victorious...wat do u think?

secondly, if Jesus is not GOD and only a sinned man, he will not be able to atone for our sins and bring abt the new covenant. His death will be meaningless and our faith will be in vain. Probably we wont be called christians anyway.

SingaporeMacross SG

+1 !!!

Icemoon SG

I'm talking about something more fundamental, think Maslow's hierarchy of needs?

Also, any average Jew will know such a promise is impossible, what's more an offer by the devil himself. It is so easy to resist the temptation cos it is so "fake".

secondly, if Jesus is not GOD and only a sinned man, he will not be able to atone for our sins and bring abt the new covenant. His death will be meaningless and our faith will be in vain. Probably we wont be called christians anyway.

This is circular reasoning.

Icemoon SG

in case anyone is blur what I'm getting at, picture this:

if Hitler is offered all the powers on Earth, there is no question he would grab it.

if a poor peasant is offered the same offer, he would say, "aiya no need lah, i am contented with what i have, 3 meals a day, a happy family, and a God who takes care of us .. we are poor but we are happy"

That's why I say the temptation is so fake.

PS: Peter Parker would emerge victorious too .. lol .. with great powers come great responsibility ..

SingaporeMacross SG

Originally posted by Icemoon:

PS: Peter Parker would emerge victorious too .. lol .. with great powers come great responsibility ..

Spider Man become Spider God....