Creation Vs Evolution

last SG · 2005-03-14T21:27:13+00:00

it would depend on how many years you believe the world is.. there are many species coming and going.. if human can master the technology of cloning.. they...

F Takumi SG

It reminds me of the system in a certain country Rolling Eyes , that is, you are guilty until you prove yourself to be innocent Laughing

Icemoon SG

Sounds familiar.

Wait a minute, don't tell me .. ! Very Happy

F Takumi SG

The fundamental difference between Evolution and Creation (Christian) is that Evolution advocates that human beings are evolved from primates while Christian Creationism states that human beings are created in the image of God.

I personally have no objection to Creationism in that the Big Bang is created by some supreme being, but the Christian version of Genesis sounds too far fetched.

stupidissmart SG

Lets just the stipulated time frame tat the whole galaxy and human being made in a week is absurb. And they use the word “day” which was used repeatedly in the bible meaning as the usual 24 hours system we use

Icemoon SG

It is not absurb if told in the time frame of the eternal God.

And who discovered relativity? A Jew, the people of God.

How many times must I repeat this .. haiz

Icemoon SG

The image of God refers to spiritual things. Come on, do you think God has a corporeal body?

Evolution refers to the change in physical structures over the years. It is accepted we are very very different from animals in spiritual aspects.

So your fundamental difference can be reconciled.

stupidissmart SG

It is not absurb if told in the time frame of the eternal God.

And who discovered relativity? A Jew, the people of God.

How many times must I repeat this .. haiz

It is specifically mentioned as "day", the time where the sun rise and falls.

God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.

A standard has been explicitly mentioned and it has nothing to do with relativity. Just like if someone say 10 metres, it meant 10 metres as stated in ISO, not any distance he want. They can be sued if they insist 10 metres is actually 10 miles in a contract. Day and night is the time frame which was supposed to be understood by human and "god". U cannot say day doesn't means day here. I also have reply tis many times before and people just totally ignore tis.

The point about the previous reply is probably to highlight the men in the bible never change drastically. Men r made as we r, not evolved out from other beings. Men r supposedly created from dust. BTW where on earth does they say men and god r alike "spiritually" ? How do u know god do not have a corporeal body ? U never see him yourself either isn't it ?

Icemoon SG

Erm .. the sun wasn't even created on the first day, so the day wasn't even defined. If ISO or SI units weren't defined, your 10 metres is open to interpretation.

I don't accept the terms in your contract. Evil or Very Mad

Men r supposedly created from dust. BTW where on earth does they say men and god r alike "spiritually" ? How do u know god do not have a corporeal body ? U never see him yourself either isn't it ?

There is no doubt that man is special, having received the neshama chayim from the breath of God. And then man became a nefesh chayah.

Jesus has a corporeal body and entered into our history. The eternal God entered into our temporal world.

stupidissmart SG

Erm .. the sun wasn't even created on the first day, so the day wasn't even defined. If ISO or SI units weren't defined, your 10 metres is open to interpretation.

He made light on day 0, it was the evening and morning as we saw it. Otherwise how do u explain morning and evening in the bible ? Why use the word "day" then ? How do u explain tis sentence to me

God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day

Even if u wanna deny, on day 4 the sun was suppsoed to eb created yet the very next day all animals were living happily and day 6 adam, the human was already here. The timeframe was still very wrong.

Ok, wat is your point ? It still never say tat we r alike spiritually and u still can't say tat god do not have a corporeal body. It is simply wat u think and it may very well be wrong Rolling Eyes In fact jesus have a corporeal body and since jesus=god, then god have a corporeal body as well. So it maybe true tat we r created physically, just physically to be like god and the earlier statement mentioned by takumi is not wrong.

Icemoon SG

You said "It is specifically mentioned as "day", the time where the sun rise and falls."

Your interpretation of day is wrong, if you accept the sun wasn't created before yom echad.

Can go read the Jewish literature for some possible explanation.

In fact jesus have a corporeal body and since jesus=god, then god have a corporeal body as well.

-_-

I just lost a few blood vessels after reading the above quote ..

F Takumi SG

In Evolution, human beings evolved from primates which in turn were evolved from single cell organisms.

So unless you agree that God created single cell organisms and they eventually evolved into human, ie God did not create human directly, then Christianity and Science can reconcile.

Icemoon SG

Actually adam is related to adamah, the Hebrew for ground. Not sure if you noticed that. Also note that God did not say "Let there be man and there was man". Wink

The creation of Adam is a special creation, the act of God putting the neshamah chayim into the body supposedly formed from the dust of the ground. (existing material + divine endowment) IMHO, whether God sculptured Adam from ground dust literally is not important. Science will not know who is the first human to walk on planet Earth. Maybe God did mould the first human from ground dust?

stupidissmart SG

Okie, the way they mention in the bible of "day" is morning and evening, a day.

god had created light on first day. It is possible for morning to occur. Otherwise, wat does the sentence means ? U mean they add the sentence to make them contradictory or laughable or something ? And wat happened after the 4th day ? surely u have to agree the sun was made then, he set up the standard timeline such as "day and night" and "seasons" etc. He even explicitly say tat the greater light governs the day (supposedly sun) and the lesser light the night. He explicitly use the word DAY for tis timeline. Yet on the next day it still shows tat all the animals were created on the same day and adam was created in the next day.In fact adam was able to name the animals and he able to name show tat they had evolved fully to the state they r in now

I just lost a few blood vessels after reading the above quote ..

U can only blame on the idea of trinity; making different objects to be one

Science will not know who is the first human to walk on planet Earth. Maybe God did mould the first human from ground dust?

Ahh... but science states tat men was evolved from apes. There is no such thing as a first man since they r continously changing to human then and we human r constantly evolving as well. There is no sudden jump where a clear definition can be set. It will very much depend on your definition of a first human. Should they be more apelike tat can barely stand upright like we see if fossils or the human in BC 0 ? And also according to science, there is no one being that suddenly becoming "human", but a large group of such being evolving into tat state together. So it is still wrong.

I don't know about u man, u don't think genesis is really fairy tale tat describe why there is sun or stars or animals ? As a normal adult human being, I find them similar to other folkstories or myth on how sun was created or human formed.

F Takumi SG

Archaeological and genetic evidence have traced the origin of modern human beings to Africa. Maybe Eden is in Ethiopia. Razz

Anyway, we won't know what is true until we have witnessed it.

Icemoon SG

Ironically you are slowly drifting into the supernatural explanation. As we know, the day is defined in terms of the rising and setting of the sun, that's how our ancestors see it too. Now, as we are more advanced, we also know the rising and setting is due to the revolution of the Earth. Hence it is possible the sun already existed in day 1. But to believe this is to acknowledge indirectly that the author knows something about Earth revolution? After all, if he cannot see the sun in day 1 due to heavy clouds or something, how could he know the sun existed?

Ahh... but science states tat men was evolved from apes. There is no such thing as a first man since they r continously changing to human then and we human r constantly evolving as well.

Anyone interested can read the Talmud Chagigah on pre-Adam hominid. Wink

Icemoon SG

At least the "out of Africa" theory lends support to the biblical account. Haha ..

stupidissmart SG

Who is the author ? It can't be adam or the animals isn't it ? It is supposedly "god" who tell people how he create the world in how many days isn't it ? Isn't tat wat the bible is about ? God inspired words ? So putting the author into the picture and saying it is the author problem is an error. The author is supposed to be "god" who is supposed to be able to know wat is day by probably living through many many days and setting the standard of "days" and who is able to see through thick clouds or cosmic gases or watever. He certainly knows the sun exists and he certainly put it down into words saying tat it was create simply meant in a "day". SO the time frame is still totally off when compared with science and the time taken for evolution. It is wrong

Anyone interested can read the Talmud Chagigah on pre-Adam hominid

why don't u put it here so everyone will know wat it is about ?

At least the "out of Africa" theory lends support to the biblical account. Haha ..

tat is probably a very very weak link tat support the bible Rolling Eyes

Icemoon SG

What is the time frame that is wrong?

I'm not putting it here. Don't wish to cultivate a culture of spoonfeeding. If one is interested, he will go and find it.

A weak link that is, but at least never put the first humans in many places at once, or somewhere in China .. haha

stupidissmart SG

What is the time frame that is wrong?

Sigh... men and animals were not created in a day... In fact the whole galaxy was not created in days... U just totally ignore my previous points... tis it not making u look good

I'm not putting it here. Don't wish to cultivate a culture of spoonfeeding. If one is interested, he will go and find it.

It is for the convenience of the people here. If u do not care for productivity and welfare, then I guess u can continue just suggesting something but never explain it.

A weak link that is, but at least never put the first humans in many places at once, or somewhere in China .. haha

Let me guess, u know wat all the wolves in the world originiate from the same place too ! In fact all animals we see now should have originate from the same place as well ! By evolution theory it should be as such isn't it Rolling Eyes

Icemoon SG

My argument was those days are not the usual definition of day. I proceeded to show how absurd it would be to know of the sun before u can see it or for the ancients to know of Earth revolution.

I also shown it is perfectly logical if those days were framed from a different perspective of time. You want to argue using Science so I use relativity theory, but you ignored my suggestion?

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