Practising Charity on internet forums

Honeybunz SG

Ok, tell us who and when?

laurence82 SG

dont u think by this time u want to get the name of rude people, u are one year or even one and a half year too late, too blind?

i have no compunction to say u are one of them, and that u are also a foolish woman, as i can see from ur other threads...

usually, however differring my views are, i can talk on faiths amicably with adult males, but definitely not kids, definitely not foolish woman....

u can say this is personal attack, but i rather put it down as an observation..... Cool

Honeybunz SG

What's so contradictory?

You as a Singaporean, you hold a Singapore passport and go to USA. Do you obey just Singapore law, just USA law or both?

Ok. You say somebody deny the real world blah blah blah. who?

laurence82 SG

someone in denial ,and pretending she is a ok..... Rolling Eyes

Honeybunz SG

I don't see that as personal attacks. I just wish to address issues. You bring up so many points, but you can't support them with anything. You only claim that it's too late blah blah blah. But I've been reading all these while. I don't see anything. Maybe you can see something that i don't. I don't claim to be smarter than anyone anyway. So I am giving you a chance to show to me what you claim that I can't see. I just want to be fair to you and those that you accuse.

I don't mean to argue. And I don't intend to win in any arguments. In every discussion there is an objective. My purpose is to support Singaporemacros in this topic. cuz if he doesn't start this thread, I will as I see every reason to do so.

If you can't support your argument with anything substantial, then calling me a foolish woman might be a clever way of getting out of it. Not personal attack. Just mere observation of ppl losing in debates and quarrels.

Nelstar SG

Like I was telling someone a few days ago and also just yesterday.

Human are not borned evil. They are also not borned good. Human are borned curious and courageous.

Imagine everything as tools and these human utilised these tools. Most of the time for their own benefits. The Christian Bible is a book. It's not by any nature harmful, but the words within it are tools. They can use these words against someone, or for the benefit of someone. And that someone is just another tool for them to satisfy their belief that they had done something right.

Good and evil are relative and subjective. Their form of good, may extend to another as an evil. A knife can be used to cut meat, this meat can be food or human flesh.

Human belief is a very scary thing. When someone strongly believe in something, it will only mean that that person cannot accept anything foreign. Religions are subjects where human are supposed to indulge all their faith into it for 'spiritual' benefits, or 'luck'. Thus, they are compelled to deny another's existence and cannot live peacefully with it.

Imagine this scenario, you returned home one day. Your door was ajar, someone dirty looking, was handling your belongings and those items are extremely expensive. Our first thought would be that person is a thief and he's probably stealing from your home.

We sometimes do not comprehend things immediately. We do not easily accept intruders as our nature is basically territorial.

To some it's charity, to others you're mocking them. Learn to accept differences, drawing lines do not really beautify it.

laurence82 SG

why need to support? i dont answer to u mainly becos of two things, u are alredi an oldbie, and that u "should" by right seen everything here, and u are not my boss too..

everyone knew the fiasco left by certain glowfish, he stopped, but u still continue ur yakking

ur thread on ancestors, knowing very well that our ancestors practised religions that are still present here today, yet u are non chalant and still continue that topic

its like, knowing muslims abhor pork, and i purposely eat a piece riight in front of them, and still adamamt that its perfectly allright...

this is how u behave in the forums

just one or two month ago, altho this topic is dead, someone brought another thread against chinese mediums or tang kees...

seriously, i dont see any reference to any other religion in other forums, but only in EH it persist....wanna bet?

yeah, wanna add on? how about the remarks made by orneryboy, in mid 2004, that christian faith is the true one, all others are man made religions...
this was in cc

u can be persistent in ur attacks on other religions, but bear in mind me and others will be around watching..and u cant simply stop us from meddling whenever we see make deriding references to other religions..

wanna stop us? give us no reason to do so... Cool

laurence82 SG

Precisely.

Thats why i made the very statement that evangelism exist in christianity not found in other faiths

This is scary. On one hand, the Christians must deny other faiths, which is pretty a ok. I have never wish to disprove the theologies and rules of Christianity.

But on the other hand, one must consider where the heck we are. If deriding statement are made against other religions, mabbe in France, who gives a hoot. In sg, it can give way to religious riots, easily.

I dont see other Christians denounce or even talk about other faiths, except for the people in the above list.

And may i name people - jworld, singaporemacross, chin eng, bear, kuali - who do not disturb any other faiths, and some chide fellow Christians who behave like god

jeez, gives the people who took an antichrist views no reason to attack christianity or its followers would be a better way out..

JWorld SG

that I would like to clarify. The topic was brought up at a catholic gathering which inspired us to ponder over our ancestors whom we all love. Honeybunz put this topic up for discussion among the Christians and Catholics because I asked her to do so. Never would we expect to stir up weeks after weeks of arguments between Christians and Non Christians. That was not her intention. And neither was mine.

SingaporeMacross SG

Oh great, have I opened Pandora's Box?

Anyway, secular laws may not be perfect. For example, the government in China outlaws the valid Catholic and Protestant churches, throws their priests and pastors into jails and work camps, and sets up puppet churches. How can anybody accept this injustice?

Just because the law says it's all right, doesn't mean it is morally correct. We must not 'doublethink'.

laurence82 SG

hmm, are we talking abt the same topic? Confused

NeonTetra SG

Proverbs 2
Moral Benefits of Wisdom

1 My son, if you accept my words

and store up my commands within you,

2 turning your ear to wisdom

and applying your heart to understanding,

3 and if you call out for insight

and cry aloud for understanding,

4 and if you look for it as for silver

and search for it as for hidden treasure,

5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD

and find the knowledge of God.

6 For the LORD gives wisdom,

and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

7 He holds victory in store for the upright,

he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,

8 for he guards the course of the just

and protects the way of his faithful ones.

9 Then you will understand what is right and just

and fair-every good path.

10 For wisdom will enter your heart,

and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.

11 Discretion will protect you,

and understanding will guard you.

12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men,

from men whose words are perverse,

13 who leave the straight paths

to walk in dark ways,

14 who delight in doing wrong

and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,

15 whose paths are crooked

and who are devious in their ways.

16 It will save you also from the adulteress,

from the wayward wife with her seductive words,

17 who has left the partner of her youth

and ignored the covenant she made before God. [a]

18 For her house leads down to death

and her paths to the spirits of the dead.

19 None who go to her return

or attain the paths of life.

20 Thus you will walk in the ways of good men

and keep to the paths of the righteous.

21 For the upright will live in the land,

and the blameless will remain in it;

22 but the wicked will be cut off from the land,

and the unfaithful will be torn from it.

Honeybunz SG

seriously, i dont see any reference to any other religion in other forums, but only in EH it persist....wanna bet?

wanna stop us? give us no reason to do so... Cool

The forum is set up for good intention. Don't wrack it just because a couple of Christians step on your toes. I believe you have come here to encourage or find encourgement, just like any of us (except S...... nevermind), instead of telling us how wrong Christians are.

JWorld SG

Yes. The topic on our ancient Ancestors who have not heard of Christ. The discussion was made out of love for our grandparents, and those before them. It wasn't started for the purpose of condemning our ancestors' religion. I'm afraid some of you might have misunderstood her question in the thread.

laurence82 SG

But we are talking in sg context.

Besides, in everyday life, its the secular laws that we abide and obey first and foremost. And such issues plague the US-Christian society, while in sg we kept quiet abt it, some issues which are glaringly different are divorce and abortion. These arent the very issues people confront in this forum, but instead some choose to focus on believers-nonbelievers issues.

The reason why u feel u opened in a pandora box, is because the Roman Catholic forum dont have such nonsense. U didnt experience the backlash before because the forum maintain a peaceful stance.

Its until some people do take a step back, and examine what the other party said, instead of wholly deny they are wrong, can there be improvements.

Its still peeve me that after the whole fiasco last year, someone can act so dumb and still want to continue just because he or she feels like it.

I know many are against stupidissmart posts, and let me put it straight, only a really few challenge his stance. For those who stand one side and remain cowardly, have no right to simply dismiss his posts as unreasonable or that he is illogical to argue with. I mean, who are they to make such judgement? God?

JWorld SG

So how do you find our Catholic forum? Would you like to sign up for RCIA and be a Catholic? Very Happy

laurence82 SG

I am afraid, and i explained many times, that whatever our ancestors practised still exist today.

Since we are talking in sgforums, and sg having a multi racial multi religious society, it will be the Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism and Chinese folklore.

Trying to go along the line our ancestors go wrong, is akin to chaffing present faiths now. And i am afraid its a minefield to step in by opening such topic.

Secondly, a lot of people always think because EH is a wholly Christian forum, that they have a) the freedom of choice to talk whatever they want and b) others have a choice not to click on that topic.

i can say nothing but freedom of speech and freedom of choice are nothing but poor cover for neglecting responsibilty.

This is, no matter what people say, a public forum. Its akin to a pastor deriding other faiths within church grounds, but within earshot of passer bys, and he claimed passer bys have choice not to hear. No attempt is made to hold such talks at enclosed room or out of earshot of passer bys.

If anyone think non believers can stand by and do nothing, while their faiths have been abused, think again.

It also become another issue of people thinking they gain superiority over others simple because they follow a certain faith. Where is the humility?

By proposing non believers have the choice not to click onto a topic, sumtimes i can do nothing but to shake head at such arrogance.

laurence82 SG

Well, let me be frank .I am not a believer in Christ. But comparing few denominations and looking at my Catholic cousins, there is a shift in the Christian world.

There are abuses within the RC world from the middle age, where the popes do commit crimes such as declaring war for political gains, rape and looting.

After which such abuses are relieved by Martin Luther and his 95 theses.

Then the whole thing shift against RC. RC becoms like weak lamb, while the Christian Protestantism Evangelism gooblegook took over.

I am appalled by the evangelism stance sometimes, where there is no effort to make peace, where people chide other faiths for the glory of god.

RC takes a peaceful stance, and now is sometimes subjected to chiding and teasing by prostestants. I thought they have such things in early years of USA, by KKK, and in 17th century Europe, where they tot everything was a Jesuit plot.

But, it happens here, which is appalling.

I wont be a Christian, but I admire the RC peaceful stance the most.

laurence82 SG

"All i see is people picking on Christians"

A very glaring example of denial and blind to other things. Need I say more?

Besides, if i were to questioned why i picked a bone abt something that happened in mid 2004, it means two things

There is such a thing exist. There are proud Christians who make such contemptuous remarks.

Second, fact is fact. There are such things happened. I dont see a problem with the timeframe. If I committed a crime ten years ago, am i to stay out the storm and hope to get forgiveness ten years later?

So i cant mention something because it does happen and that it happen 'so long' ago? Anyway, the time frame is opened to abuses by people who simply what to set it aside as picking bones. Good try. But not on me.

And i mention right from first page, there are black sheeps. Its u guys responsibility to advise them. Just because there are so few, doesnt give anyone the right to simply put them down as the insignificant few. Also another excuse to turn blind to these issues.

Lastly the forum objective..hmm, sounds nice, but never in practice. If u guys dont know, and i wont reveal who, there are people who propose to forum founder long long time ago to try to mod the tone of some of the extremist. Never been done. Alredi lost hope long time ago liao lor, need to put in forum objective in front of me for fiak? Rolling Eyes

SingaporeMacross SG

Let us acknowledge that we Christians are not perfect. We will shamefully admit that many of us have bashed others in our posts. Let us continue instruct the ignorant and to admonish the sinner. Also, it is time to get our house in order.

Let us not fall into the snares of the devil by replying others with hateful vulgar language and wild accusations. Do not forget that God will put down the proud.

Voltaire says, "I am opposed to what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

So while practicising free speech, let us continue to compose our posts in a Christian manner.

It's kind of funny that I'm quoting a famous cynic.

Smile

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