How to be saved when die as a baby?

burntan SG

What if there is really only “one way” and those who didn’t have chance to hear Gospel (including babies) are not allow to enter heaven? Do you think it is still acceptable?

[email protected] SG

but neon. he has a right to ask, and to allow someone to convince him doesn't it? dun u think saying "u can't ask, because it means u have no faith, if u have faith, then these question fades away" is not going to help? it sounds like what someone would say if they couldn't quite answer u know? and it sure as hell ain't gonna make him start believing.

my point being, i dunno if u realise, that u said a lot without actually saying anything? and that he DOES have valid questions. I would think that what he's questioning is not God's words, but rather, if OUR interpretation of the bible is 100% accurate?

anyways, personally nothing against u neon, but i felt that "bottomline" statement does sound more zealot than explanatory.

[email protected] SG

ultimately i dunno about each of your personal interpretations, but i believe that the best way is to have kindness within, believe in God or not.

Icemoon SG

Micah 6:8 - "He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. "

Cheers. Very Happy

the.raven SG

children are innocent my ass, they are inconsiderate and selfish.

burntan SG

That is another base less and rude label for children... do you have a child?

SingaporeMacross SG

We are talking about babies here. Did you see a baby shoot someone with a gun before?

pqr SG

Yes, stop preaching mean "no chance" for others to hear Gospel, right? Will that automatically and more effectively send them to Heaven?

No chance means if you are at some ulu place where no many people around you, dun speak ur language etc esp like those in africa whose language. They are the ones that have not much chances to hear the Gospel

What if one willing to sacrifice himself for the benefit of most babies? This is dangerous idea, right?

Yes. Killing by itself is already wrong, even by human standard.

I don't understand what you mean "Furthermore, ending anyone live when the time is not 'up' is also wrong"?

Is something like there is a time for everything, including death. If a person end oneself or others' life earlier than "schedule", is not acceptable.

stupidissmart SG

So u acknowledge tat if the people don't get to know the religion, then they will go to heaven ? If tat is the case, then don't spread the word ! From ancient times, stop the religion and keep the bible for yourself ! Then everywhere will become an "ulu" place and everyone goes to heaven ! Spreading the word is sinful because it give them a probability to go to hell ! Before u know the religion, u certainly goes to heaven. After u know, then u not only have a high chance of not believing in it, u also have a chance of going to hell even if u r a believer. Doesn;t tat make spreading your religion wrong ?

Yes. Killing by itself is already wrong, even by human standard.

U don't understand... The killer is definitely sinful, no doubt about tat. But does the victim surely goes to heaven ? If they do, then there will be people who don't mind killing their babies to ensure they get to heaven. Someone had to go to hell, might as well ask him to kill off thousands of babies or children so they all can go to heaven. The important thing is, thousands of babies get to benefit while only 1 person had to go to hell. DOesn't tat make it a dangerous idea ? In tat case, doesn't abortion make perfect sense then ?

pqr SG

Yes i do acknowledge that there maybe people who are able to go to Heaven if they do not hear the Gospel. Then what is the conscious for? God will judge those who have not had the chance to hear the Gospel according to their conscious.

I understand your point of view and now let me explain mine.

I may not have able to explain what i mean by "don't want to hear & don't have the chance to hear".

If u are some kind of africa tribe (that what i mean ulu) whose language is ancient that not many people can speak or they cannot read, then that is under "no chance to hear".

If you are educated or even can speak common modern language, and when some people tried to share the word with you but you dun have to hear, that is "dun want to know". Not "no chance to hear".

I hope you can understand why do not hear (and do not spread the word) does not = to go to heaven bcos we are still judge by our conscious.

Human standard of right and wrong varies with each individual. Your right may not be my right, so who right is right? Who set the standard?

stupidissmart SG

Yes i do acknowledge that there maybe people who are able to go to Heaven if they do not hear the Gospel. Then what is the conscious for? God will judge those who have not had the chance to hear the Gospel according to their conscious.

Isn't tat the same as wat god do for christians as well ? They too get judged at the end of it all. Not all those who cry lord lord get to be in heaven u know. They r too judged for their conscious. So wat is the diff ? The diff is the people who heard the word and not being believers r going to hell straight. Before they still have an equal chance as believers. Aren't u causing them more harm than good ?

i may not have able to explain what i mean by "don't want to hear & don't have the chance to hear".

I TOTALLY understand wat do u mean by not hearing and doesn't want to hear. I KNOW tat since the very beginning. THE POINT I am driving through is, THE SPREADER of the WORD r SINFUL because they r condemning all the people they told about god a straight path to hell. It is a FACT tat most people refuse to believe christainity after hearing the word. It is a FACT in the bible tat non-believer go straight to hell. Therefore we can conclude tis religion should have been covered up since the very beginning. Those who knew it are cursed to be believers of it. Otherwise they have to rot in hell. There r still ulu villages in some part of asia etc. Stop all evangelising and leave them in peace. They get to go to heaven too, why give them the possibility to make them go straight to hell ? In fact christians should stop all evangelising to china or other parts of the world in the first place. They r sending the chinese, japanese, malays etc straight to hell as well.

Human standard of right and wrong varies with each individual. Your right may not be my right, so who right is right? Who set the standard?

So u mean sending people to hell is possibly a right thing to do ? I thought tis is a clear cut case.

pqr SG

So u mean sending people to hell is possibly a right thing to do ? I thought tis is a clear cut case.

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I need to ask you what is ur understanding of Hell? Is it only for unbelievers? U understand from the Bible that only non christian goes to Hell? All christians will go to Heaven, no matter what? Is that your understanding?

Are you saying that Hell is not necessary? What clear cut case are you referring to? I dun get your meaning.

stupidissmart SG

I need to ask you what is ur understanding of Hell?

A painful place where no man wanna go to.

Is it only for unbelievers?

Non-believers will certainly go there according to the bible

U understand from the Bible that only non christian goes to Hell?

Non-christians definitely go to hell. They don't even have a fair trial on the deeds they done

All christians will go to Heaven, no matter what?

Christians do not face the fate of certainly going to hell

Is that your understanding?

Yup. Tat is something of it. AM I far off from wat the bible described ?

Are you saying that Hell is not necessary?

If u ask me, I will say... Yes. But if there has to have a hell, then I thought the selection criteria should be more fair

What clear cut case are you referring to? I dun get your meaning.

U tell people about your religion, according to it, he will go to hell if he do not believe in it. It is highly likely tat he will not believe in it. So he will therefore definitely go to hell while before, he has a chance of escapng tat fate. Isn't tat a clear cut case of christians sending peopel to hell ?

alvin74 SG

mot exactly rite to put it dat way, coz God have written in our hearts His own existence..

during some time or another, we can know there is a God whom we are all responsible to when we die..

it's up to each of us whether to respond to that prompting of the consience..

stupidissmart SG

Really ? I don't really felt any of such things before but I can be sure the form it take will depend on wat religion u r in. Buddhist treat such "feelings" from buddha, taoist/hindu treat such "feelings" as some deity and christainity treat such feeling as probably from god. How do they respond ? they start to believe in their religion lor... I don't think tat is any arguments here. SO it is still true tat non-believer still go to hell without any fault in their part

NeonTetra SG

Q. Why would a loving God sent people that dont believe in Him to hell?

Hmm...there r a few things wrong when asking such a question.

Firstly, the assumption that God created hell for people is not from the Bible. Hell is originally created for satan and his demons as a place of torment and judgement for their rebellion.

Secondly, God didnt send people to hell. People choose to go to hell themselves because they have decided to join the rebelliousness of satan and his demons and therefore come under the same judgment.

Thirdly, no doubt the God of the Bible is love but we also cannot neglect the truth is that God is also Justice and righteousness. In His justice, sin has to be punished and in His love He sent His only Son- Jesus Christ - for us as the atoning sacrifice.

In Christ, the righteousness and love of God is co-exercised.

stupidissmart SG

Firstly, the assumption that God created hell for people is not from the Bible. Hell is originally created for satan and his demons as a place of torment and judgement for their rebellion.

Firstly, he create satan himself, fully knowing tat he will betray him later. He made hell and send him there. He purpose torment him so he can be more sadistic when he was released. (I thought human civilisation itself has already gone beyond torturing people) But sadly, he is gonna release him after 1000 years so tat he can to wage a war against him again. U can get to see billions and billions of gogs and minions of evil against fire in the sky. Where does human stand then ? Frankly he had planned for all these to happened. After all these, he is still gonna send u to hell, to live with satan. The original intention is not important anymore. U r still gonna go there. In fact, u should be more afraid since it is designed to punish an immortal like satan, which clearly has a tougher body than u.

Secondly, God didnt send people to hell. People choose to go to hell themselves because they have decided to join the rebelliousness of satan and his demons and therefore come under the same judgment.

Tis part is so very wrong. People don't choose to go to hell. Who will choose to go to a horrible place where they will suffer pain for the rest of eternity ? They were FORCED to be there just because they do not believe in God for a good reason. It still boils down tot he same point which u r not answering. Twisting the word is not gonna help much. From your tone, u appears to be blaming buddhist to be buddhist, taoist to be taoist, hindu to be hindus and free thinker to be free thinker. Perhaps they r blaming u to be christians as well, and u will be the one tat undergoes their hell instead. Frankly, I do not see any justification to believe in christianity up till now

Thirdly, no doubt the God of the Bible is love but we also cannot neglect the truth is that God is also Justice and righteousness. In His justice, sin has to be punished and in His love He sent His only Son- Jesus Christ - for us as the atoning sacrifice.

The problem is he made the laws and he made the judgement himself. When u r borned, when u have no conscience and not thoughts, u have already sinned and will surely go to hell. How good a justice is tat ? He don't give evidence of his existence, he don't show himself yet he expect everyone to fully believe him, otherwise he will face hell. How righteous can he be ? There is nothing about justice here, it all boiled down to him plainly demanding u to be a mere servant, and giving a hell lot of excuses for it.

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