People who have not heard of Christ

last SG · 2004-08-30T22:20:31+00:00

I think there is no need to feel offended. If you do not believe in the christian worldview, there is no reason to feel offended. To you, the God who will ju...

stupidissmart SG

first of all....As mentioned b4...r we going into the house of feng sui and bang ppl there?? telling them what they believe is so not logical ? U have ur believe..we have our own. Billgates success lie in feng sui? Ang moh dunno feng sui, they position their wall, chair and doors all wrongly..that's y they are so poor today???? ppl who read fung sui in the streat..so good in telling ppl what to do..why dun they teach themselves first on how to generate wealth rather than walking down the streat begging for "business".

U want to bang people there, go lor... I am not stopping u. I am not a taoist, believes in feng shui or buddhist too. Bang, please bang HOFS. Ask them all your questions. Do it. I believes in science. Bang science lah

So ..no one call u to believe in Christ. Why so frust? U believe in karma right....so no one is stopping u. Ur aim of reading the bible is to find flaws and misinterpreting them to gang bang christians, not to understand it.

Do I sound frustrated ? I think u should be the one tat checks your emotions first. My questions r not wrong. If u seek to understand the bible, u should really consider those questions seriously...

I also got some questions. U say achieve nirvana...ok..who set the standard?? who is the one that say ok ..u achieve nirvana? Nature?? buddha.?? then who granted buddha nirvana?? nature?? What is this whole thing of nature? How u define nature? So..nature can think? nature can decide? nature says that u next round will become pig...or young handsome prince?? ..since u dun believe in GOd right....the " thing" that is going to judge u..is nature?? so.,.if nature can think, decide and pass judgement and upgrade a soul to achieve nirvana...so what exactly is this nature...Mother Nature???

I know nuts about nivana too. U want to find problems with it, do it. I don't care.

There are alot of things to argue about ..which we DONT WANT TO DO IT..becoz of one thing call RESPECT. If i would enter house of feng sui and tell ppl what u believe is crap..u think i can CHANGE the ENTIRE FORUMITES view...u know u cant...but u r doing something quite similar here...i believe u have "mens rea" b4 u procede right.

please do it. i implore u.

ya almost forgot..what about this Hitler thing...y make it sound so difficult. simple..i can say i kill u for Christ sake...i can say i am a christian..i can SAY WHATEVER i want...so??? what;s the big deal...when i die ...then got judgement day lah. No one here is God..only He knows what is right. Actus reas and mens rea my fren. Actus reas is a tick for him liao...mens rea..only God knows.

But then why deny he is a christ believer. He says he believes in christ etc, why want to deny it ? U know better than hitler on his religion ? u wanna leave everything to judgement ay, then I guess u can wait till the cow comes home and nothing wil happen.

let me tell u one simple thing...which is..u can type a 10 thousand pages long of essay...BUT IT WILL NOT EVEN SHAKEN The FAITH OF ANY CHRISTIANS in this thread. Amen. and peace to u.

Wow... u must really have the gift of clairvoyance to know everybody who read these threads.

Chin Eng SG

Very Happy true... no different from Samuel L Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction where he quotes scripture "...the vengence of the Lord is upon you... " and bang blows the guy's head off with his pistol.

Confused unfortunately this may have happened so long ago. I fully agree and support your stance, Larry, that these preaching are wrong. Unfortunately, religious zealots are everywhere. I, for one, would not go into these forums to blatantly quote scriptures to condemn them. I would encourage all Christians NOT to do it, as much as some of the topics posted in these forums are not in tandem with our Christian beliefs. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and when it differs, let's not argue about it in this faceless way, walk away and agree to disagree.

Mad SIS? Well, it had all been establish that his manner of writing is extremely jarring and uncouth. This is not just my opinion but many had stated such. Many regular Christian forumites, include my humble and unlearned self had already decided not to "challenge" his "enlightened" stance as it is an endless loop of pointless rebuttals.

I will leave it to all forumites to consider deeply whether SIS
1. is truly presenting scientific and logically conclusions who quotes indiscriminately from athestic sources,
2. an eloquent debater inspite of his lacking in the ability to write and spell coherently which makes understanding his writing extremely difficult, (this, BTW is not a personal attack, but a factual statement when one reads his notes.)
3. or whether he has his personal vendetta on berating Christians as low IQed stupid misguided individuals.

If he thinks that Christians are stupid misguided individuals, it's ok. After all Scripture says in Psalms 14:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Of course, this verse has no meaning to people who do not believe in the Bible, so it would be OK to them....

sillyme SG

Yeah, the Bible makes no sense until you submit to God’s authority. So we look at this statement with regards to the topic raised. Is the bible relevant to those who have not heard of Christ?

stupidissmart SG

SIS? Well, it had all been establish that his manner of writing is extremely jarring and uncouth. This is not just my opinion but many had stated such. Many regular Christian forumites, include my humble and unlearned self had already decided not to "challenge" his "enlightened" stance as it is an endless loop of pointless rebuttals.

I will leave it to all forumites to consider deeply whether SIS
1. is truly presenting scientific and logically conclusions who quotes indiscriminately from athestic sources,
2. an eloquent debater inspite of his lacking in the ability to write and spell coherently which makes understanding his writing extremely difficult, (this, BTW is not a personal attack, but a factual statement when one reads his notes.)
3. or whether he has his personal vendetta on berating Christians as low IQed stupid misguided individuals.

Yah yah yah... yakety yak yakety yak... all u have to say about me r again personal attack on me as an individual instead of on the points I had raised. I have probably been attacked in such fashion for the many times by u. Tat in my impression, r is not only low class but also senseless and show your depth in such matters.

1) Is the points tat I had raised without logics and meaning ? Let the readers determine if the points I had raised up logical conclusions or not. Frankly most of the points tat I had raised up come from me myself only, not from websites. However for the other people, they tend to come up with faulty answers from their own religious website in which they have limited understanding on it. When question about it, they will jump at u for not "accepting" your answer.

2) And on the point of "lacking in the ability to write and spell coherently which makes understanding his writing extremely difficult", surely tat would have work against me during my replies. If u fail to understand wat I am trying to say, how can u come to the conclusion of me being an "eloquent debater". Just think about it, do we have to write proper queen's english in order to write in such forums ? Isn't writing such tat it is understandable be enough ?

3) Again u wanna raise my agenda for berating christians. Then again, wat is your agenda for berating me ? Wat is your personal vendetta for doing tat ?

If he thinks that Christians are stupid misguided individuals, it's ok. After all Scripture says in Psalms 14:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Of course, this verse has no meaning to people who do not believe in the Bible, so it would be OK to them....

Why would it have no meaning ? It surely meant meaning to u, a christian isn't it ? If someone insult u vulgarly on your parents in a dialect u do not understand, does it means it has no meaning to u and u should let them carry on their verbal assault on u ? On the issue here, it is on wat is the intentions and implications of the speaker or writer tat is of utmost importance. From the passage, obviously your intentions is again another verbal abuse on me. As such, why will it ever be "okay" for me ?

Yeah, the Bible makes no sense until you submit to God's authority. So we look at this statement with regards to the topic raised. Is the bible relevant to those who have not heard of Christ?

Why not ? it regards to your ancestors well being isn't it ? It is certainly relevant to everyone.

Chin Eng SG

Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psalms 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Obviously the definition of stupidity and smartness is very different from some other conventional philosophies.

1 Corinthians 3: 18-19
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

For that I will be the fool, or the low class one, or even the senseless one. Very Happy

stupidissmart SG

Rolling Eyes

Tat seems to be a pretty weak argument. Other religions scriptures r probably claiming u r fools for not believing in them. Since nobody can believes in all religions, so everyone r fools ? The real fools r the one tat jumps into a religion without verification.

Chin Eng SG

No problem with me.... If all who has a religion are fools to you, so be it... no big deal.
Since nobody (including you) in the universe has ALL the answers to ALL THINGS, then perhaps we all are fools one point or other. Again, it does not matter.

SingaporeMacross SG

Is it wrong for me to tell you about the issue from the Catholic point of view? Did I force you to believe me? You tell me.

Icemoon SG

Oh ya .. forgot you're not telling objective history .. heehee

Yea .. I've no problem if you're just presenting the Catholic position.

laurence82 SG

eh..we out of topic

forget the ancestors

what is each denomination's views on non-believers anyway?

sillyme SG

Please discuss with a sensitive and discerning mind.

stupidissmart SG

what is each denomination's views on non-believers anyway?

For christainity or catholic, all people who had a different religion or free thinkers get roasted in hell. No matter who u r, wat u do or how many good deeds u have done, u get roasted in hell. Even those who had never heard of christainity or too young to know about religion before they die also go there.

Anyone wanna challenge tis statement ?

Sir_Horny SG

Icemoon SG

I can assure you, there are many christian fundamentalists who believe in the automatic salvation of infants who died young. It is a slippery slope argument, how young is young .. heehee

stupidissmart SG

Scriptually, for salvation, christ is a necessary criteria. Young or not, it is auto classified to hell.

A senseless and unfair criteria if u ask me.

Icemoon SG

Not necessary. Christians always like to taunt unbelievers, if you can find one sinless person, then he can earn his way to salvation.

Always remember sin is the cause of everything. Believing in Jesus Christ makes no sense unless you see the reason behind it.

stupidissmart SG

Not necessary. Christians always like to taunt unbelievers, if you can find one sinless person, then he can earn his way to salvation.

According to the bible, u have already sinned when u r borned. Who is not borned out ? God make people conceive, yet punish people because they r conceived out. He might as well say breathing, drinking or eating is a sin.

Ps. 51:5 "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."

Always remember sin is the cause of everything. Believing in Jesus Christ makes no sense unless you see the reason behind it.

Then why restrict non believer or people from other religion from salvation ? Believe in jesus christ as an important criteria makes no sense. There is already a faulty system of classifying sin

Chin Eng SG

Smile "Taunt" may be a word that is on the hard side. I'd say that Christians preach that message because this is the truth as we see. Emphasing on the the phrase: the truth as we see. Objectively speaking, anything that is perceived as the truth to any individual, it is likely that this individual will reject anything else contrary to that "truth". It is simply a natural process not limited to Christianity.

I do want to state that there are Christians who go overboard in the "preaching" as well as many of these with the holier-than-thou attitude.

"Believing in Jesus Christ makes no sense unless you see the reason behind it." - this is a good statement....

stupidissmart SG

Not necessary. Christians always like to taunt unbelievers, if you can find one sinless person, then he can earn his way to salvation.

Another point to note... from revelation 21:8

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death

He already classfied unbeliever to be as sinful as murderers, sexually immoral and liars. There is no possible way tat a sinless non-believer can go to salvation even if he is borned from a rock and acts exactly like wat jesus had done when he is living. It is the same as saying u can pass a gate only if your waist size is thicker than 1 m and thinner than 1 mm at the same time.

Even Jesus is borned from Mary and lies to other when he is on earth. Even he fails to be sinless

SingaporeMacross SG

Jesus tells lies? You want to give us some examples?

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