Can a Christian who commit suicide go to heaven?

last SG · 2004-02-27T21:13:30+00:00

Nirvana's frontman Kurt Cobain comitted suicide 10 years ago. but heaven needs talents like him.Think he should be rocking the heaven now.

sillyme SG

Grace is getting what we don't deserve. And God has fully demonstrated it when Jesus died on the cross. He did not die just for few individuals but He died for all ( 1 John 2:2 ; 2 Peter 3:9 ; 2 Cor. 5:19).

God has already done what is required for us to go back to Him. It is up to us to choose Him. Our salvation is not a predestined one. But God desire all men to be saved ( 1 Timothy 2:4 ) and desires none to perish ( Ezekiel 18:23 ).

God has given free will and without a doubt Christians can still choose to sin ( Hebrews 10:26 ). We are not predestined for salvation nor to hell because if we were, then there will be no free will.

Ultimately, some will choose to abuse God's grace. But it's the very same grace that allows us to be forgiven. It's really up to us to persevere in our faith and continue to put our trust in Him

NeonTetra SG

T'was GRACE that taught my heart to fear and GRACE my fears relieved. How precious is that GRACE appeared. The hour I first believed............ Smile

Bochupi SG

so it means that as long as you repent b4 you die, you'll still go to heaven?

I've got a friend who always say that he'll repent to god only when he's about to die...so he'll go to heaven too huh?

NeonTetra SG

again....GRACE is not meant to be played with and taken for granted..if your fren thinks he can gatecrash heaven...tell him that he's wrong to think that way. Smile

Bochupi SG

kekeke, never seen him liao. Dont wanna see him also. Laughing

NeonTetra SG

errmm...ok.....

Bochupi SG

hehe, he always say that and I was wondering if everyone think like him then who still need to go to church. Just hope he's not surprise when his time is up.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

I believe that if his intention is sincere, God will accept him one.

But your friend got a very serious logical flaw, what makes him think he'll have the chance to play it out his way until his deathbed before making the choice? After all, if he kenna chia langar or window drop on his head, he got time to think about such things meh?

God's grace is like medicine, you can recieve it today or recieve it tomorrow, it will still work, but can you be sure that you'll last till tomorrow?

Don't play play eh...

NeonTetra SG

x 1000

Bochupi SG

hehe, that one must tell him liao..donno if he's dead already or not leh.

saintboy SG

Yes we are saved by grace. Grace that allows us to be reconciled with God in spite of our sin. Grace that spurs us to obey God and repent, thus turning away from our wicked ways.

Committing suicide has nothing to do with grace. It is taking away something that was not yours to begin with (Your very life). Did you choose to come into this world? No right? Similiarly you do not have the right to choose to take your life away. Smile

By the way, do you know that committing suicide or attempted suicide is a crime? Do you know that people who died of suicide are even handcuffed in their casket?

Devils_advocate SG

How do you know a Christian was truly saved then? I know of a man who was very sincere in believing Jesus at his salvation and prayed the salvation prayer with all his heart and was baptised with the Holy Spirit and spoke with tongues, but betrayed God for some time and lived with the devil. Pls read the parable of the prodigal son. Mind you - it is talking about a Christian son of God who rebelled and live like the devil in sin although he came back to God. This son of God could have given up and died in a foreign land. So is he still God's son? It doesn't matter where and how you die bcos you are still flesh and blood of God or the begotten of God.

Job might not represent every Christian and as you have said, not all Christians lead pure, consistent lives. So could one of these unpure and inconsistent Christians choose to die before his time? Nobody can say.

dumbdumb! SG

well talking abt judas iscariot committing suicide cuz he felt remorse...

if he got the spirit of God, he will know he is forgiven.. thus no need to kill himself over his stupid things he do Question

just my theory

Devils_advocate SG

You didn't answer my question about God being unfair bcos of grace. If Jesus died for all, how come all are not saved? Pls read Romans 9:11-29 for it speaks of Sarah and Rebecca and "children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls". It goes on to say God hated Esau before he was born! So could God have hated some people here on earth before they are born? So unfair? Then it goes on to say about Pharaoh being used by God and as you all know God hardened pharaoh's heart. So unfair? Then Paul scolded us for saying why God still find fault with us when He wills everything. He said we are in no position to reply against God to say why God made us this way. Then came the clay and potter issue. Romans 9:21: "Does not the potter have power over the clay from the same lump to make one vessel for honor ad another for dishonor?" Romans 9:22 goes on to say about "vessels of wrath prepared for destruction". So are some people already being prepared for hell? Can we blame them totally for not accepting Christ?

From all these verses and others in the Bible, we know there is election. Nobody can deny it. It's in the scriptures. Grace is by no means fair! Bcos it's undeserved mercy.

NB. Anyway how did you link the bible verses to HTML tags on website? Saves my typing. Pls help.

saintboy SG

Here's an abstract from the website www.christiananswers.net no the topic of suicide.

What does the Bible say about taking your own life?

1. God has a great plan for your life. God has created us in His image (Genesis 1:26-27). He created us for a purpose. God has a specific plan in mind for everyone.
"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." (Jeremiah 29:11)

2. God's plan is for life, not death. The Bible teaches that both physical and spiritual death are the result of our sin and disobedience to God, but eternal life is a gift to those who receive it.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

3. Jesus taught that death and destruction are the work of "the thief" (Satan). He said, "The thief comes only to steal and destroy;" (John 10:10). John 8:44 says that Satan is a "murderer" and the "father of lies". The feelings of despair that lead to suicide are caused by some of his lies.

4. Jesus wants us to have life. He said:

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
(John 10:10)

5. Life belongs to God. It is never our place to take our own life or someone else's life.

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)

Devil1976 SG

Words.... Cool

NeonTetra SG

X2 Smile

snk86 SG

errm, actually cannot stright away say No….........as in being save is a one thing, as in once you accept, thats it, generally, you are save…...err…........my specific explanation mind i after research then post….....

M©+square SG

Someone spoke on Calvinist theory??? The Irresistable Grace? Hmm….something fresh in the forum.

sillyme SG

Originally posted by Devils_advocate:

You didn't answer my question about God being unfair bcos of grace. If Jesus died for all, how come all are not saved? Pls read Romans 9:11-29 for it speaks of Sarah and Rebecca and "children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to [b]election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls". It goes on to say God hated Esau before he was born! So could God have hated some people here on earth before they are born? So unfair? Then it goes on to say about Pharaoh being used by God and as you all know God hardened pharaoh's heart. So unfair? Then Paul scolded us for saying why God still find fault with us when He wills everything. He said we are in no position to reply against God to say why God made us this way. Then came the clay and potter issue. Romans 9:21: "Does not the potter have power over the clay from the same lump to make one vessel for honor ad another for dishonor?" Romans 9:22 goes on to say about "vessels of wrath prepared for destruction". So are some people already being prepared for hell? Can we blame them totally for not accepting Christ?

From all these verses and others in the Bible, we know there is election. Nobody can deny it. It's in the scriptures. Grace is by no means fair! Bcos it's undeserved mercy.

NB. Anyway how did you link the bible verses to HTML tags on website? Saves my typing. Pls help.[/b]

sorry i haven't been logging as i was occupied.

i guess what the rest has posted has answered some part of your question.

i had the chance to ponder about what you said.

it's true that in the verses you quoted, Paul mentions about God's choice of blessing people He chooses to. But i'd still say God is a fair god.

If you believe God is the creator and life-giver, it is in His judgment to give whatever He pleases, but in His wisdom.

However, blessings and salvation are two separate issues, isn't it? Also, if you read the account of Esau, he did despise his birthright when he was starving.

Some might argue why God chose to bless Jacob, he was a sly and cunning person. God has a way of using undeserved people on the bible and transforming them into people He can use. Jacob after stealing the blessings, ran away.. but he came back transformed and humbled (he wrestled with God and submitted to Him). Isn't this what grace is about? To be blessed and changed even though we don't deserve it?

That said, what happened on the Cross has opened doors to God's blessings. He has not withdrew any of it on the Cross. It's up to us to gaze upon it's loveliness and wondrous work. To submit everything under His feet and take upon our cross.

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