CMPB Medical Checkup: Declare Honestly/ Truthfully? How?

Edwinez SG

Hi, I am a pre-enlistee, going for my NS CMPB medical checkup in a few days time.

I have history of a dislocated shoulder.
The last known time it popped out was about 2 years ago.
I was not able to pull anything or even do pull ups and if I did, it pops easily.
However for the past few years, I've been training up the muscles and can now do pull-ups. Also, I am a little heavy, but not obese but borderline above normal BMI range.

Must I declare my conditions?

I don't want to spend 2 years doing less physically active combat support vocations.
I am actually aiming for command schools (SCS/ OCS). I prefer to get into vocations that are xiong/ siong/ gang-ho/ garang/ cheong sua type rather than PES B2/ C/ E vocations such as medic, signaller, driver, storeman, clerk...etc.

But if I get into PES B2/C, should I upgrade to at least a B1 with a hospital specialist memo which certified me fit?

Will Mindef/ SAF take responsibility and compensate me if should I injure my shoulders without declaring honestly and truthfully to CMPB?

Can I claim any insurance/ training injury compensation from SAF?
If I don't declare, SAF insurance policy is null and void?

What do you think?

Thank you.

weymas SG

Well you can either risk injuring your shoulder again and a possibility of doing permanent damage to your body for the rest of your life (even after you ORD from NS), or declare honestly and truthfully to let the MO see if you're combat fit to whichever suitable PES.

Please don't have the misconception that less physically active vocations means you're not doing something for the country towards nation-building. It isn't that easy either, and there's a lot of things for you to learn albeit not being on the combat frontline deployment.

Lokey SG

No, No, No . Always declare whatever medical problem you have. It is up to them to decide what Pes status to give you. And not for you to decide your own Pes status.

It got to do with insurance, compension, operational capability and other issues. Don't be narrow minded about it.

fudgester SG

I will tell you the same thing I will tell every person who does not want to declare an old injury or preexisting medical condition: wake up your ideas.

If you injure your shoulder again, and MINDEF finds out that you did not declare your old injury, they will not take any responsibility for your injury. Even if it means your arm was wrenched right out of its socket.

You may think that you are being selfless by wanting to serve in the frontlines in spite of injury. But from experience, I can say that such an attitude is actually really selfish. As a combat medic specialist I've had to spend far too much time and effort attending to casualties who did not previously declare they were ill or injured because of their gung-ho ness.

Please do not tie up frontline resources because you want to be siao on. Declare your old injury during the pre-enlistment checkup, and let the MO decide what's best for you.

"newbie" SG

long time ago during my BMT. My fellow recruit also dislocated his shoulder... now his palm is permanently facing front, which normal should be facing your thigh.... and he never have doslocation problem before till bmt... can your shoulder take, carrying your weight plus say another 60kg? and do pull-up? can your shoulder take full battle order and doing monket swing? can your shoulder take unarm combat?

Do consider, declare and let the MO decide are you suitable..

eac SG

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Types of Basic Military Training

PES A/B1 BMT
This 9-week programme trains combat-fit recruits in the basic military skills to prepare them for advanced vocational training. The programme includes weapon training with the SAR 21 rifle which will teach recruits technical handling and marksmanship skills; a Battle Inoculation Course that simulates a real battlefield; a Field Camp which develops basic survival skills; progressive training to complete a 24-km route march which builds combat fitness and endurance; and hand grenade training.
For those who fail to achieve the NAPFA test silver award, they are required to undergo an 8-week Physical Training Phase (PTP) prior to the PES A/B1 BMT.

PES BP BMT
As evidence has shown that obese recruits are able to achieve optimum fitness levels and weight loss in about 19 weeks, the new BMT programme for recruits with Body Mass Index (BMI) scores exceeding 27.0 will be 19 weeks. This BMT programme is designed to help obese recruits improve their physical fitness progressively while equipping them with basic soldiering skills and knowledge.

PES B2 BMT
Enlistees who were PES C1 previously underwent a 7-week BMT programme. The new 9-week PES B2 BMT programme will be conducted for recruits who are medically fit for deployment in selected combat and combat support vocations, such as signal operators, combat medics and naval system operators. These recruits will be given a new medical classification of PES B2, in place of the existing PES C1 classification. This is to ensure that the medical classification of our soldiers is consistent with their deployment. The new 9-week programme will include customised physical training, as well as basic combat training to prepare them for their combat and combat support roles.

PES C BMT
The 9-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES C recruits. This programme will include light physical training and vocational training to prepare them for combat service support vocations, such as service medic, and those related to logistics and administration.

PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations.

Jason1990 SG

Nowadays hard to down pes. I dislocated my knee cap before and a surgery was done to fix it back. Ever since then, there was pain that keeps comes and goes. There were a couple of times which the knee cap came loose and dislocate. i put my leg straight and it pops back. I recently went to ns medical checkup and submit the memo from my specialist doctor. The MO did not tell me my pes status and i found out i was given pes B1 when i called the ns hotline.