NS Conscription Differences between Singapore & South Korea?

last SG · 2012-01-18T12:45:45+00:00

Our glorious people's republic always welcomes you, Daeho.

eac SG

Please note that with effect from May 2011, Mr Lee Kuan Yew has retired from the Singapore Government Cabinet and hence relinquished the role and title of "Minister Mentor". Presently, he appreciate and simply wish to be known as Mr Lee Kuan Yew without any fanciful title. He remains as an ordinary Member of Parliament now.

M the name SG

Anyway in Singapore, nobody in the right mind except those "extreme-mind" will try to commit an offence while serving in the Singapore Armed Force. This is mostly because just like in school day where you will have an report book to update your marks and conduct for "improvement", those Singaporean who service national service also know that at the end of their service, once the unit clearance form is signed by every military and admin staff in the department for "unknown" reason to ensure you return the camp belonging like access pass to them, an certificate of service will also be issue to us where inside the certificate it will stated your conduct and performance in either "positive" or "negative" by the overall commanding officer.

This is where the seriously or harsh reality come in if you are charged with an "criminal" offence in army and found gulity, this certificate of service will reflected on your behaviour, and even if you get discharged from "early" than normal period of national service from misconduct (not cause harm to other of course) like AWOL or bring handphone camera and taking photo of fooling aroound of "pretending" to use rife to shoot yourself , and this certifcate will be just like an label on your forehead that you are an emo bully or an slacker.

Not only that, if you want to find an job especially in Singapore, mostly of the employer would require you to produce your certificate of service as an evidence that you have completed your service to nation.As mention above, if your conduct is poorly stated on the certificate, you might already guess whether you can get an professional job in the end, if you are lucky, maybe you can end up as an cleaner, road sweeper or toilet cleaner, if you know what is best for yourself or in other words what consequence of commiting an offence will led to and if you care about your future, you didn't try to act anything risky like an retard ruffian call Naruto the pang sai.And I am sure it the same logic in any society

Finally I think the only complain for the national service which I am not sure if it is the same as in korea are (I would not mention our founding father of course) under 2 year of national service, the NS men were poorly pay and had to endure "physical" hardship like change into your uniform in an very short time and fall in,route march, drink whole bottle of water etc (known as water parade in Singapore), therefore if there is any area of comfort, they are mostly likely not to create trouble, e.g, it is well-known fact that in Navy, for those personal who are off-duty, they are allow to watch DVD video in an resting area and even play Playstation game inside the ship, or if their officer would organised activities like having an paint-gun battle or an golfing session for their unit.

And not to forget, anther famous complaint from fellow singaporean are during their army days mostly likely they will lose their girlfriend if they found a new "interest" in their working place, or after they completed their service, they find themselves lose out in term of career promotion in the corporate world where foreigner or "little" girl younger than you get an senior position and order you around. Is this the same situation as well in Korea, Mr Daeho0228 ?

alize SG

You are free to say so but many koreans have respect for His Excellency

Minister Mentor Lee. Most of the Koreans think His excellency is

comparable only to Emperor Yao or Emperor Shun..

Maybe His Excellency was not so much lenient with his political enemies..

Yes.. he did make his political enemies bankrupt by sueing for defamation..

In South Korea, military dictators assasinated or tortured their political

enemies.. Do you know why late Kim Dae Jung(former president of South

Korea) walked with a limp? Because he was tortured by his political enemies..

he would have been dumped into the east sea with his arms and feet tied

had CIA not intervened to save him..

I'm glad to know what people in other countries think of mine, and often find it better or worse than reality.

In this case I think Lee's propaganda machine has been very successful. Singapore has not only bankrupted political opponents but detained them indefinitely through the Internal Security Act. The longest was detained for 37 years. Last year our Home Ministry revealed for the first time that more than 2000 people have been detained without trial. This law has not been exercised of late, but the Government has indicated it will remain on the books for future use. By contrast, the days of your KCIA ended a long time ago. Kim Dae Jung became President only one term after Korea's transition to democracy, preceded by another opposition leader. This is unthinkable in Singapore. Our electoral system is theoretically democratic but loaded with built-in advantages.

What irks me the most is how the Government sees fit to play God with every aspect of our lives. Nothing is sacrosanct, from how many years we work to pay for a government flat of a size decided by the government to what we may study in school to how many immmigrants we share our country with to what the sole newspaper reports. Non-compliance is either illegal or very expensive. At one time, long hair or western styles were illegal.

Thanks to government intervention, we remain a much less mature democracy, unware of the exercise of our rights and responsibilities.

Daeho0228 SG

Beating the bully is quite unimaginable.. Koreans are so much used to

physical violence.. They just think being punched in the stomach or

kicked in the knee is something not unexpected especially in the armed

forces.. The Korean marine who shot his senior soldier and was

sentenced to death did that because his senior soldier set fire to his

bible saying, "I'm your senior soldier. So I am greater than Jesus."

As the marine was a pious Christian and got mad.. So he opened fire

on his senior soldier and threw grenades into the barracks..

Well.. Ok I see. Then I can call him His Excellency Senator

Lee Kuan Yew then..

I still think he is quite a benign leader..

General Chun, one of Korea's military dictators, killed more than 5000

people in Chunnam province because they protested against Kim Dae

Jung's being sentenced to death..

Yes.. imprisoning many people is by no means a good deed..

Nevertheless i still think it's much better than airdropping Special

Operation Forces in Chunnam province and ordering them to kill

anyone they saw..

You say His Excellency Senator Lee put many people in jail..

However, was any of them tortured? Korean dictators, especially

Generals Park and Chun imprisoned much more people.. and most

of them were tortured.. A typical Interrogator usually put his prisoner's

head into a basin full of water making the prisoner unable to breathe..

Some of them were practically castrated by being tortured

electronically.. Can you even imagine what being tortured

ellectronically is? Chun Sang Byung, a Korean poet was an infertile

man because he was neutered electronically when he was imprisoned..

Moreover female prisoners were tortured sexually.. I am unable to describe

how they were tortured because that's so very obscene..

That's why we Koreans think His Excellency Senator Lee is such a great

leader.. You know what? The incumbent president of South Korea, Lee

Myung Bak proudly showed a photo he took with His Excellency Senator

Lee when he was running for president. Many Koreans voted for Lee Myung

Bak because they saw the photo in which Lee Myung Bak and His Excellency

Senator Lee were shaking hands smiling..

Lee Myung Bak's predecessor, an ex human rights activist Roh Moo Hyun

frequently quoted from His Excellency Senator Lee's memoirs during his

debate with president candidates.. He was elected as president because

so many Koreans agreed with his quotations from His Excellency Senator Lee..

President Roh Moo Hyun even mimicked His Excellency Senator Lee by

sueing many newspapers for defamation..

In my view, Singapore is just like a grocery store that sells only apples..

It's true that you can buy only apples(meaning the PAP cadidates) at the

grocery store.. Anyways, all the apples are good... fresh, sweet and fragrant..

South Korea is a grocery store that sells apples, pears and durians..

The problem is that all the fruits in the grocery store are rotten.. Even

apples in the store smell just like durians and the durians there smell

even worse..

Former president Roh Moo Hyun commited suicide by jumping off a

cliff because he was about to be prosecuted for corruption..

Presidents Chun Doo Hwan and Roh Tae Woo were all imprisoned..

President Park, also known as Takagi Masao, didn’t go to jail because

he was assassinated by his henchman before he was sent to jail..

That’s why I say South Korea is a grocery store at which only

rotten fruits are available..

Korean soldiers are equally underpaid and they usually split up with

their girlfriends while they’re doing military service. Usually draft

dodgers and black haired foreigners(meaning Koreans who have

American or Canadian Citizenship) have fun with their girlfriends..

A good example of those people who are allegedly draft dodgers

is Park Hae Jin.. He got exemption from doing military service

because he claimed that he was suffering from schizophrenia.

Maybe he was really a lunatic.. However, he seems to be perfectly

ok on TV.. He’s an actor..I heard many American Soldiers

in Afghanistan and Iraq are suffering from psychiatric problems but

still doing their job taking medicines such as Prozac.. Maybe he’s a

lunatic but he doesn’t seem to be bad enough to be exempted

from doing military service..

Most Koreans suppose he must have bribed doctors to get exemption

from military service.. Corruption and bribery are everywhere in South

Korea.. So their doubt is not totally unfounded I think..

Unlike Singapore, in which every singaporean son has to do military

service, South Korea is a country in which every korean son whose

parents are rich enough to bribe doctors don’t have to do military

service.. For some mysterious reason, few congressmen and cabinet

members in Korea did military service and even fewer of their sons

did military service.

A good example of black haired foreigners is Tablo the singer..

He was born to Korean parents in Korea, lived and is living in Korea..

He is a singer in Korea but a nobody in Canada. He earns money

in Korea but spends money in Canada.. Anyways he’s a Canadian..

He married a Korean actress.. I presume she may have had a

boyfriend who was doing military service.. And I suppose

she’ll give birth to another Canadian who has the same rights

as all other Koreans but has no duties such as military service..

To sum up, You Singaporeans should be proud of your leaders, especially

His Excellency Senator Lee Kuan Yew. If His Excellency Senator Lee

were to run for president here in South Korea.. I’m sure he will win by

a landslide. If Koreans are able to vote for any of the PAP candidates,

they surely will do so because all other candidates are incompetent,

corrupt and unscrupulous.

Hitman Factory 1 SG