Citizenship: Canadian PR-Singaporean Son Return to Serve NS!

Lokey SG

Actually, Singapore is unprepared for overseas citizens who is coming back for NS. After BMT, some units stay in bunk, others stay out. I stayed out during my NS years. So I dont know how you are going to get lodging outside with an allowance of ~ $500.

mancha SG

You won't be sidelined because of your status, you got the papers, you'll get to OCS. Up to you to make it when in there.

Better get some relatives, of good friend of the family to put you up for the 2.5 years. Remember you need to get the laundry done, and also a break from the regiment.

Military training can only be good for a man, provided you have the right attitude.

Otherwise you would be just another male person.

alize SG

I can already hear the incredulous voices of your section saying "siao!"

You won't be sidelined because of your status, you got the papers, you'll get to OCS. Up to you to make it when in there.

Better get some relatives, of good friend of the family to put you up for the 2.5 years. Remember you need to get the laundry done, and also a break from the regiment.

Military training can only be good for a man, provided you have the right attitude.

Otherwise you would be just another male person.

can't imagine buying 10 sets and washing them in a pail for 2 years.

Btw, where can TS stay in if he gets posted to CMPB?

kengkia SG

I've posted on this before. Singapore does not recognise dual citizenship but cannot stop you from holding it.

If you acquire it, Singapore will continue enforce all obligations including NS. Once you renounce Singapore citizenship, Singapore cannot hold you in default.

This is easy to do, just sign forms at the embassy abroad and walk out. You can go even if you don't have a country to go to (but it is better to have one).

Only a foreigner who acquires SG citizenship, must renounce foreign citizenship.

hmm..does it mean that a NS defaulter at overseas, if he walks into SG embassy, he wun get arrested on spot?

DrLanguagereborn SG

'Sup,

I'm 18, a Singapore citizen by birth, and I currently live in Canada, where I emigrated to 2 years ago. I'm perfectly willing to complete my NS obligations, but I have a few questions:

1) I'm not staying in Singapore after NS. I have a spot in University being held for me, and I intend to return to Canada to pursue my education and career. Will the SG government view me as an 'undesireable' and make me a supply clerk? I don't want to just slack through NS. So, can a foreign PR go to OCS/Specialist school?

2) My chin-ups literally CMI, so if I fail/just pass NAFPA test and enlist into the full 2-year NS term, will that impact my chances of getting into OCS/whatever? Otherwise I'm perfectly healthy, if slightly overweight, which can be corrected.

3) Can I stay in barracks even in the weekend? I have no place to go.

Thanks for your help!

Edit: Can a NSman take all of his 14 days leave at once?

Forget about NS and concentrate on yer canadian citizenship

alize SG

hmm..does it mean that a NS defaulter at overseas, if he walks into SG embassy, he wun get arrested on spot?

Firstly, if you are not a Singapore citizen (even a former citizen), Singapore has no jurisdiction over you.

Secondly, since when can embassy staff arrest other countries' citizens or even their own citizens on foreign soil.

Thirdly, an embassy is where Singapore staff are accorded protection by the grace of the host country. It is not a place where Singapore law applies.

In other words, if someone so much as shows you attitude you should fuck them and say, "that's why you're a security guard and not a cop".

If you are a foreign citizen, they can only ask your government to send you back, after proving you have committed a crime in Singapore.

kengkia SG

Agreed with DrLanguagereborn, TS pls dun be silly, why risk yourself to permanent injury when u have the chance to get out of NS.

mancha SG

If a person wants to play the violin, and ask for advise, give advises on violins.

Don't ask him the f the violin just because you don't understand it.

If TS face up to the challenges, it will stand him in good stead. If he choose avoidance to his challenges, he will be below mediocre in life.

sean29 SG

So lets say if I have a brother who has dual citizenship but has’nt served NS, does that mean he can go to the embassy of singapore and just easily renounce even if he’s already 16?

Will he be banned from entering singapore or will he be caught should he be entering singapore using the other nation’s passport?

alize SG

So lets say if I have a brother who has dual citizenship but has’nt served NS, does that mean he can go to the embassy of singapore and just easily renounce even if he’s already 16?

Will he be banned from entering singapore or will he be caught should he be entering singapore using the other nation’s passport?

Yes you can, even if you're 18 or 21 or any age.

You're free to enter Singapore legally on a tourist visa and apply for work visa like anyone else.

Lokey SG

So lets say if I have a brother who has dual citizenship but has’nt served NS, does that mean he can go to the embassy of singapore and just easily renounce even if he’s already 16?

Will he be banned from entering singapore or will he be caught should he be entering singapore using the other nation’s passport?

You need to check this out at the SG embassy. I think he should and he can.It does not make sense to you now. Because you dont understand the underlying implications.

Supposed you are now both citizens for country A and B. You have your family and property in country A. But country B is your country of birth. So suddenly, touch wood!, country A and B become at war. So now, where do you go now? You must choose between A or B especially, you are THE soldier of country B. Then it does not make sense, to drive an aeroplane and bomb your own house in country A.

sean29 SG

You need to check this out at the SG embassy. I think he should and he can.It does not make sense to you now. Because you dont understand the underlying implications.

alize SG

You need to check this out at the SG embassy. I think he should and he can.It does not make sense to you now. Because you dont understand the underlying implications.

When you "check this out at the SG embassy", hopefully the 2 years in Canada would have equipped you with enough critical thinkiong skills to determine what is real and what is bullshit, half-truth or slanted talk.

LRooke SG

@Alize: I didn't ask that question.

Thank you all for your help. I've booked my medical, and we'll see how it goes.

Askingyouto SG

If want to avoid NS, better check the rules carefully.

I don't really know about this, but I have heard of cases where people who avoided NS gets arrested when they transit in Singapore on their way to other places and gets sentenced to 7 years in jail.

I cannot be sure of this but do check things first hand to avoid a rude shock to your life if possible.

Director Hitman SG

You need to check this out at the SG embassy. I think he should and he can.It does not make sense to you now. Because you dont understand the underlying implications.

????u sick ??just had too much vodka the other day?

Lokey SG

????u sick ??just had too much vodka the other day?

sean29's brother has not served NS, age <16 . It is not considered as a NS defaulter. So he has the liberty to choose citizenship when he becomes an adult.

For LRooke, I dont think he can just not do NS by renouncing the SG citizenship. He is too late. He has only a canadian PR, which is nothing. Guess, he has no choice.

The key is the purpose of NS is really to train up soldier for protection and secruity of Singapore. The first core value of SAF is "loyalty to country". The agenda here then, would be which "country" is TS loyalty to. If citizenship is just a title, then NS would be meaningless to TS.

DrLanguagereborn SG

Agreed with DrLanguagereborn, TS pls dun be silly, why risk yourself to permanent injury when u have the chance to get out of NS.

Yes even KK agrees. Stay as canadian. I hear pretty chio bu like parnie likes overseas born sg men.

mancha SG

Look forget all the crap about defending the country and being patriotic. Just put it aside and don't think along that line. Cross that bridge when you come to it.

Look at NS as an educational opportunity, a once in a life time opportunity to have military training.

You can make the best of it, or you can avoid it, and if you can't avoid it, belly ache and crap about it. Its up to you.

I enjoyed my NS and will cherish the memories of doing IFC among graveyards, charging up hills, firing M16 and the GPMG, carrying mortar barrels, riding in V200 armoured vehicles.Of course there were loads of boredom too, as there was also a lot of waiting, and resentment over practices for parades. But overall I am thankful I served NS. The battalion and brigade, and IS exercises were experiences I would never have as an ordinary civilian.

Director Hitman SG

yes man from canada...you can stay at manchas house when u return for national service.army camps nowadays dont have much accomodation and i suppose u can stay at manchas place for 2 years or so.

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