Singaporeans now tend to be Unappreciative, Whine & Complain

alize SG

I have already annualized the pay and considered the $600 increase for every NSF, it is 1.7%. A 2LT will get $1800 post-increase which is about what an unskilled labourer will get.

Singapore does place the defence budget first, but NSFs are getting the raw end of the deal.

Speaking of toys, I doubt we will ever find a use for those 3 Challenger class (apart from the one used for training) or that the F-5s will make any difference at all (getting the pilots out might cost us some commandos and helicopters instead).

Much of the

defence procurement, vehicle/aircraft/ship and equipment spare parts and maintenance, logistics (fuel, electrical and phone bills, meals, air and sea transport costs, that king koil mattress you sleep on, etc), training, building construction and maintenance

that you listed comes from government-linked or government-owned companies, so the government does recoup alot of these "costs". The $15-a-day SFI meals are only a small part of the equation.

Lokey SG

I have already annualized the pay and considered the $600 increase for every NSF, it is 1.7%. A 2LT will get $1800 post-increase which is about what an unskilled labourer will get.

Singapore does place the defence budget first, but NSFs are getting the raw end of the deal.

Much of the

that you listed comes from government-linked or government-owned companies, so the government does recoup alot of these "costs". The $15-a-day SFI meals are only a small part of the equation.

no matter how you calculate the budget does not make sense. Ten year ago it is like this, ten year later will be still like this.

Obersturmfuhrer SG

I have already annualized the pay and considered the $600 increase for every NSF, it is 1.7%. A 2LT will get $1800 post-increase which is about what an unskilled labourer will get.

Singapore does place the defence budget first, but NSFs are getting the raw end of the deal.

Much of the

that you listed comes from government-linked or government-owned companies, so the government does recoup alot of these "costs". The $15-a-day SFI meals are only a small part of the equation.

You still have not factored in the increase in REGULAR pay. A 2LT with a $1800 allowance is very close to the starting pay of a regular 2LT. Going by this, regular pay-rolls have to be proportionately increased so on and so forth for all regular servicemen and you end up with the Generals EACH getting much more than half a million a year? So how does THAT amount to ONLY a 1.7% increase?

Even though the 3 remaining Challengers are not as useful as before, they certainly gave us an edge in submarine operations within the region. I'm pretty sure its better to spend the money on the HIMARs, Leopard MBTs and F-15SGs to awe the other armed forces in the region. Or would you prefer the Indonesians laughing at our toys? I'd prefer to have a bigger and better stick than the others.

Since you already pointed out the financial model of the current government, what makes you think they'll even consider the idea of raising NSF ALLOWANCE so drastically?

Kaise SG

dun think the defend budget is for u boys. most of the money i beleive r channeled to those garmen related companies.

alize SG

Since you already pointed out the financial model of the current government, what makes you think they'll even consider the idea of raising NSF ALLOWANCE so drastically?

Why should a NSF 2LT earn any less than a regular 2LT? Is his service any less worthy?

Singapore does not take that view. NSFs and NSmen are the backbone of the force. We have NSmen MAJs going for command school way into their NSmen years. They should be equally compensated.

The SAF need not choose between paying men properly and good weapons.

opeth SG

Face the fact. We are a city. We aren't really a country.
What we are protecting looks more like a corporate than a country.

How can Singaporeans not complain about the standards of living here if the city itself was built from 0 onwards with our own blood and sweat while the ministers enjoy the finer life?

The truth about developed countries are the contrast between the struggles of its citizens to against the elites.

Just look at our soldiers. How much are they being given to serve this city? Imagine if the millions of dollars given to the ministers were given to our soldiers instead giving them the allowance of a full time employees outside. People will definitely look at soldiers differently.

Its really pathetic how a world class country cannot provide free transport for NSmen. Really.

I like your last sentence.

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Why should a NSF 2LT earn any less than a regular 2LT? Is his service any less worthy?

Singapore does not take that view. NSFs and NSmen are the backbone of the force. We have NSmen MAJs going for command school way into their NSmen years. They should be equally compensated.

The SAF need not choose between paying men properly and good weapons.

True. They both serve in the same capacity. But the FACT remains that Regulars are basically paid more because they are paid to commit their futures to the organisation. If not than what's the whole point of Army recruitment? All the economics and you lack a simple understanding of HR?

This is a CONSCRIPTED force. You're not the only one short-changed. We're all in this together. Deal with it.

Lokey SG

This is a CONSCRIPTED force. You're not the only one short-changed. We're all in this together. Deal with it.

You can always embraced the dark path. Sign on.

alize SG

This is a CONSCRIPTED force. You're not the only one short-changed. We're all in this together. Deal with it.

Paying NSF decently does not mean regulars are short changed. They are still volunteering from own free will to take the SAF's pay offered to them.

The minimum contract is 4 years (inclusive of 2 years NS), I don't see how they are sacrificing their future.

You are either a regular who delights in making people suffer, or a blind believer thinking that everything Singapore does is right.

ditzy SG

I think to sum up the thread title, Singaporeans are a realistic bunch.

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Paying NSF decently does not mean regulars are short changed. They are still volunteering from own free will to take the SAF's pay offered to them.

The minimum contract is 4 years (inclusive of 2 years NS), I don't see how they are sacrificing their future.

You are either a regular who delights in making people suffer, or a blind believer thinking that everything Singapore does is right.

Sure minimum term is 4 years but if I get the same amount in allowance as a regular gets his/her pay, then WTF would I need to sign on for? Suffer an extra 2 years on top of the NS when I could have gone for other careers or studies? Tell me where's the logic in this from a HR manager's POV?

So now you're decending into stereotyping when facts that do not support your "vision" are brought up? If the points brought up do not make sense to you or lead you to have that impression then so be it. I don't have to go around justifying what I do nor impress you.

alize SG

People sign up because the pay is attractive, they don't sign up because others are getting less. They don't benefit from others getting less. Are you citing a new HR theory?

You serve more years, you get more increments year after year. A 5 year LTA gets more than a 2 year LTA.

Rednano SG

See here...

www.asiaone.com/News/The%2BNew%2BPaper/Story/A1Story20101230-255612.html

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