USA-SGP Permanent Resident: AWOL to Skip NS Desert/ Default

last SG · 2009-11-07T19:39:02+00:00

best just complete ns without awol......if u have awoled ...then get out of spore and apply fer yer mom to goto usa pronto.they dun pay much in spore anyway...

Mal ganus123 SG

Basically I'm a PR serving NS, with a US passport. I've finished my BMT, and have been working for a couple of months, but I can't take it. It's not that it's hard, it's just I want to move back to the US.

I'm tired of Singapore [no offense, I lived here 11 years total, and don't have any friends outside of camp], and I want to start working for real, as well as studying part time.

Basically, I want to revoke my PR, but I'm not sure if the government will pester me about it, and cause me and my family trouble.

I'm not even doing a useful job, just the extra-guy; they didn't even approve my G50 application, so I feel less and less inclined to serve.

Any help would be appreciated.

tarutaru SG

Those who are liable to serve national service but refuse are charged under the Enlistment Act. If convicted, they face three years' imprisonment and a fine of S$10,000.

Controversy arose when the penalties were increased in January 2006 after Melvyn Tan, who was born in Singapore, received a fine for defaulting on his National Service obligations. Tan left for London to study music during his enlistment age and later acquired British nationality. In parliament, Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean provided some illustration of the punishments defaulters would face:

Each year, a small number of people are convicted for their failure to enlist or refusal to be conscripted. Most of them were Jehovah's Witnesses, who are usually court-martialled and sentenced to three years' imprisonment, but they are usually held in a low-security detention facility and separated from other conscription offenders. The government does not consider conscientious objection to be a legal reason for refusal to serve NS.

Forbiddensinner SG

2nd generation PR need to serve as it's stated by the law. So what's your vocation now? Btw what's wrong with the army now? Is it too slack?

He lived here for only 11 years, so he can't be a 2nd G PR.

TS, just bear with it. After you are through with NS, you are free to cancel your PR. If you were to AWOL now, you will never be able to come back to SG again. Oh, btw, you can't run now since you are already serving in the army.

Mal ganus123 SG

He lived here for only 11 years, so he can't be a 2nd G PR.

My biggest problem is there are people waiting for me to get back... I have nothing here... No friends, no family... I wish I never came here, I didn't have a choice, and now I'm getting more and more anxious...

I went in positively, but after a long time, people all are all pressuring me, telling me the same things, everyone, my superiors, my fellow NSFs, even people like taxi drivers... All asking me why I'm serving, and all telling me I made a mistake...

Lokey SG

just inform that you want to go back to US and give up your singapore PR.

I think US is not a bad place, depends on where you stay, but it is a fact that even for friend (US citizen) who is not that educated cannot find a proper perm job in his own country. Kind of sad, thanks to the influx of foreign workers.

Dont waste 2 years doing NS, it only waste time and money. But make sure you can find a job in US firsts. Times are hard in US now.

Mal ganus123 SG

just inform that you want to go back to US and give up your singapore PR.

Dont waste 2 years doing NS, it only waste time and money. But make sure you can find a job in US firsts. Times are hard in US now.

I have family ties, and lots of friends there too. Work won't be too hard to find, and I can actually begin a proper education...

I've been miserable here for the longest time...

baikachuchu SG

You can't just revoke your PR while in the midst of serving.

If you choose to AWOL and you and your family leave this country,you will DEFINITELY suffer the consequences and your parents might be affected too.You will be in trouble for deserting and your parents might get into trouble for abetting a deserter...

What do you define as a useful job in NS?Being a commander?You are not the only one who thinks that what they did in NS was useless,plenty others have bemoaned about their vocation.The reason you gave is not a good one.Just be honest that you do not even want to do NS.

I have heard from my friends about a case of a china PR awoling and moving back to china with his family.On the day they decided to do it,they went to the Chinese embassy and gave a sob story to the officials to plead their case.In the end,the embassy book a flight for them and facilitated their way out SG.Naturally,after that,they should never expect to step back into SG again.

I cannot verify about what I heard but you can try going to your embassy to plead your case.Who knows they might even be able to bully Mindef into letting you off without a hitch?

Mal ganus123 SG

I never said I wanted to do it. I stated I never had a choice. This country's been shoveling shit down my life the whole time.

At least at one point of time I felt I could contribute and do good in my service, I did my best in BMT, and when I got posted I was taking over a somewhat important job, but it required me to get clearance, which they didn't grant because obviously I'm a foreigner, and would spill all the secrets out to the world *rolls eyes*.

I don't even care that I wouldn't be able to come back to SG, I just wish my mum would leave this hellhole, so I could leave and not have any qualms at all.

I honestly don't care how much they label me here, the only reason why I'm serving is to protect my mother, out of fear tactics the government uses.

I'm honestly disappointed in the citizens of SG. No one bothers to stand up for their democratic rights, everyone cowers under the iron fist of the government. It's a facist country with a false sense of democracy to lull it's people into believing they're free.

And before you go on saying I'm not bothering to stand up for democracy, that's because I have no ties to this nation, and I'm in a situation where they'd harass my family.

Honestly, it's complete bullshit, and it always will be. I'll finish my two years service, but I swear, when I'm done, I'm writing a book accounting everything I've learned about this place.

dkcx SG

U can write whatever you want but if you write anything confidential, u can be sued by MINDEF for divulging anything about how it works and that will get u into more shit. Just serve and leave the country. Noone will miss not having u in SG since u are so unhappy here.

☃® SG

Serve and Fark off

Hitman2 SG

TO MAL GS,

did i read u correctly???u gort a us passport n came back to spore??thats mighty.........patriotic of you.do u now intend to tatto on your back "SINGAPORE FOREVER" or "MAJULAH SINGAPURA"???

WHAT MADE U WANNA FLY BACK TO SPORE?AND WHATS WRONG WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN THE USA??YOU DONT LIKE AMERICAN GIRLS????YOU SICK???YOU FELT LONELY IN USA AND FELT LIKE GETTING A SPOREAN WIFE??WHAT N WHY DIDJA COME BACK TO SPORE FOR?IT JUST DUN MAKE SENSE NOW.......

THINK U JUST BLEW OR WASTED 2 YEARS BEING IN SPORE NS FOR SOME STRANGE REASON.........U LOVE MILITARY UNIFORMS DONTCHA?

OH WELL....COULD BE WORSE...U COULD HAVE SIGNED ON WITH THE US ARMY AND GET POSTED TO AFGHANISTAN.

dkcx SG

TO MAL GS,

did i read u correctly???u gort a us passport n came back to spore??thats mighty.........patriotic of you.do u now intend to tatto on your back "SINGAPORE FOREVER" or "MAJULAH SINGAPURA"???

THINK U JUST BLEW OR WASTED 2 YEARS BEING IN SPORE NS FOR SOME STRANGE REASON.........U LOVE MILITARY UNIFORMS DONTCHA?

OH WELL....COULD BE WORSE...U COULD HAVE SIGNED ON WITH THE US ARMY AND GET POSTED TO AFGHANISTAN.

Whatever he has done is done and he has his reasons.

Do mind ur language n words.

Don't make me edit ur post.

Hitman2 SG

dont know if yer book will sell..........most people only go for mission impossible....combat missions with almost no returns......hell hath no fury kinda military missions in world conflict hotspots.......they are not interested in james bond or young and restless story.......hmmm...but if u wrote a book bout an asian army thats been enslaved by space aliens with telepathic powers and bout how its all done...maybe that wuld sell...u couldfinally be rich......hmmmmm....juicy,,,

nottigurl88 SG

"[no offense, I lived here 11 years total, and don't have any friends outside of camp]"

If socially you can't cut it here in singapore, where there is no/fewer racial and cultural barriers to getting along, how do you think you'll fare in the far more diverse US?

nottigurl88 SG

this is the second LOL point... "Work won't be too hard to find"...10.2% unemployment polished numbers.

"I have family ties, and lots of friends there too"... i'm sure you're real close too... after living in different countries for 11 years...

Hitman2 SG

hmmmmm.................u need advice on immigration for yer mom only.that is all u need.i dont see the difference between u and the other sporeans lookin at everything closely.in time u would prolly be like them too.

are u willing to die for your objective?how tough are you?everyone is just trying to perceive how strong u are by asking you questions....from cab drivers to yer neighbours.....

u need to be more stronger with a better plan....or ya mum gets stuck in spore eating katong laksa and lontong.

well.....u could get yer mom out first,,,,,with a us passport us state department allow parents of us citizens to rteside in the usa.and getting a lowly paid job in usa is actually much more than wat they pay an engineer in spore.they matter a hoot.just do it with as little loss as possible.

kengkia SG

TS, why not u see this thread as well? more opinion known the better to make a decision.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages/?msg=23950

Hitman2 SG

What is not related does not need to be posted

Lokey SG

I have family ties, and lots of friends there too. Work won't be too hard to find, and I can actually begin a proper education...

I've been miserable here for the longest time...

It depends on which part of US you stay. US really have much opportunities than Singapore, which is really a small island. But many people like Singapore because of it weather, green and clean order. My friend is planning to work in beer factory in US? Making beer is his passion!

Actually it is up to you. if you give up your PR, why do you want to continue your NS? Just get on with your life. But don't AWOL, ask for approval (write to ICA and CMPB) and left. Good luck for your future.

Forbiddensinner SG

Actually it is up to you. if you give up your PR, why do you want to continue your NS? Just get on with your life. But don't AWOL, ask for approval and left. Good luck for your future.

The problem is that you are not allowed to run half way through your NS. If TS have not started it yet, that will be another story...