Most Info Loaded: RSAF Pilot / WSO Applicants' Tips & Tricks

last SG · 2008-02-24T02:42:57+00:00

Why do you want to be a wso in a UAV? Wrong choice, like Kopi said, SIA.

del_co SG

i haf completed the interview, compass and medical. now juz waiting for medical results.

Twincat SG

well since you have make up your mind, go all out for it then and don't regret. All the best to you then...

cheeze SG

ah yes, but u also have to state that they like to punish and pick on the dumbest things.

jaded servicemen won't help because they screwed up that serviceman from the beginning. i went in, wanting to be in the military... but now it turns out with the 3G wayang, the pay doesn't justify my work.

ask my colleagues... all of them signed on, wanting to prove themselves... now, everyone is jaded. i have a senior who wanted to conver to be an officer, was siao on. now he totally switches off and in the past you would never hear "air force sux" come out of his mouth. he's even prepared to pay money to break his bond.

i don't mind pilots coming in. but i think there are not much experienced technicians left... besides, they are starting to commercialise, soon everything will be prepared by ST Aero uncles... got war or any humanitarian effort, ho sey liao

i hope i dun come across as being pro-organisation.

i guess being jaded/ disgruntled/ disatisfied applies to whichever job u're working at. the only difference that in the military if u're at the bottom of the chain u don't really have much speaking right. and most of us are probably tied down with some bond or other and thats a pain to serve out.

but i guess we have to keep telling ourselves why we signed up in the first place and do our job to our best right? even though u hate it, shouldn't go around poisoning others. just serve and then leave and find something better that u're happier with.

i don't even know myself if i'd be staying after my first contract but juz make the most of it and see what lies ahead when the time comes. maybe one will get condemned, maybe one will do well?

anyway a military job is never one for us to earn big bucks, much less in singapore. militaries are money spending organisations, not earning money so bonuses are minimal, workload is high cos not many people join cos' i think the asian thinking of 'good sons don't become soldiers' still holds true.

a capable person would probably find a better paying job outside. if u're in the forces its either cos' of interest, passion, service to country and lastly the pay. i do agree that the pay is rather low compared to outside job for the amount of work but what to do? i think the best thing is to encourage more ppl to join so that there;s more ppl to spread the workload and then maybe the pay is justified? heh.

but obviously, the manpower policies i think need to be tweaked.

good luck to those wanting to join. join for the right reasons please.

kopiosatu SG

poisoning?

man, i think i am saving them from pain.

i don't think you've been around long enough to see all the pained regulars

manpower policies were screwed the day they introduced the PP scheme.

pay will never be justified, it is the ngiao government way of running things.

why are they commercialising? why are they saving costs getting NSFs to maintain equipment? its all for cost saving... the day my pay is justified is when i only turn up for work for 3 days, because the amount i get outside for working 3 days is that rate.

i've been around enough to see how its going down. the military will still be around, but at the rate that its going, its asking for more problems.

when i first came in, people were smiling, people enjoyed the work, even the lao peng. not anymore now.

stellazio SG

there is no longer a right reason to join the military..

kopiosatu SG

there is no longer a right reason to join the military..

not even "for my country"

the guy is better off boosting the economy with his enthusiasm.

i see some of my colleagues, some enciks... bloody wasted to be in the military, they would be doing way better out there.

stellazio SG

not even "for my country"

the guy is better off boosting the economy with his enthusiasm.

i see some of my colleagues, some enciks... bloody wasted to be in the military, they would be doing way better out there.

last time the lump sums offered was high to attract people, now they pay pathetically when the outside economy is doing quite well.

the only people that should consider signing on are the scholars, but it is those same people who make the people who really wana work and serve, suffer.

kopiosatu SG

last time the lump sums offered was high to attract people, now they pay pathetically when the outside economy is doing quite well.

the only people that should consider signing on are the scholars, but it is those same people who make the people who really wana work and serve, suffer.

basically SAF screwed themselves when they decided to employ more educated people at the lower bottom of the shit pile.

the military (generally) has been a service when the "uneducated" or "lowly educated" are given a good pay to work for the country. the smart ones (scholars), will lead the guys and that's how it goes. the lower ones won't complain because the money they get with their current education will not be available in the corporate sector.

while the more educated ones should be helping the country boost their economy in the commercial sector. the "lower educated" ones won't argue about their pay, or the work... because it is a good paying secure job.

gone are the days when u just had a technician. now a technician regular is virtually extinct. where are the missing lower rung regulars?

now they determine that a diploma is the lowest education qualification to accept, that would leave the "uneducated" or "lower educated" with lower job opportunities within the government sector.

i've got nothing against the "lower educated" because i'm one of them, but it is plain silly to see a SOP military employment policy being changed by the morons above. i don't even wanna get started on the PP scheme

kopiosatu SG

anyway like what Twincat said, you've made up your mind then go for it but don't regret.

Twincat - liao lah, he reminds me of me. lol~ last time so siao on now everything down the longkang.

stellazio SG

yeah nowadays with a diploma, most regular specs can become WO's in their mid 30's, and thereby having too many WO's with too little positions for em....

and its not even secured anymore, even if you're a WO, your contract might not even be renewed, and that leaves you with just the taxi to rely on..zzz..

cheeze SG

poisoning?

man, i think i am saving them from pain.

i don't think you've been around long enough to see all the pained regulars

manpower policies were screwed the day they introduced the PP scheme.

pay will never be justified, it is the ngiao government way of running things.

i've been around enough to see how its going down. the military will still be around, but at the rate that its going, its asking for more problems.

when i first came in, people were smiling, people enjoyed the work, even the lao peng. not anymore now.

well i think or i reckon i've been around long enough. maybe not as long as u but i think its a significant amount of time spent already. almost all my good years are gone.

i tend to agree for a fact that the manpower schemes don't really benefit the ppl. i for one lament the lack of medical coverage..

cost savings is a measure that not only our armed forces is doing. almost every other nation is doing it. and we're not the only unhappy military personnel in the world. its almost the same in every other country. worst stil those that have to go into combat. this is the feedback i got from my peers working in other countrie's armed forces. same shit different country different currency.

anyway, for commercialisation- they are only commercialising the not so critical stuff right? like training and some maintenence and the less sensitive operations. i think the fighter side is not going into that area anytime soon.

sometimes i think i hate the organisation. other times i think its alright. but i just thought i'd give my 2c worth cos too much bashing of the force makes us look stupid and bad. cos if its that bad, why are are we stupid to join in the first place. need to balance the argument a little.

but again to add. military is not the place if u wanna earn big $$.

go commercial! better life. job satisfaction i don't know. maybe money can compensate for it. but its individual i guess.

kopiosatu SG

i already tell people that it is the stupidest thing i've done in my life. the good years of my life are gone. so i don't really see a reason from my side to "save the face" because of the farce its turning into now. last time? maybe not as bad. now... i give up.

last time i might give more positive reviews, now i can't think of positives.

commercialisation? its not as little as you think.

cheeze SG

you may be right then i guess from where u're standing.

i'm in the ops side. different perspective from logs i think. so i don't see that much of the commercialisation nor does it really affect me..

so my view might be different.

i guess the logs ppl would have more to bitch about.

stellazio SG

i'm in the ops side working with the pilots, and most of em i know cant wait to get out and jump to SIA..

and nsfs techs are gonna be phrased out for certain aircrafts like mine, which means that the regulars will be squeezed to the max.

kopiosatu SG

i'm in the ops side working with the pilots, and most of em i know cant wait to get out and jump to SIA..

and nsfs techs are gonna be phrased out for certain aircrafts like mine, which means that the regulars will be squeezed to the max.

your side handing over to the uncles lah.

because of your side, mine get pushed back. so i have to suffer somemore.

i hope i can leave by september

stellazio SG

your side handing over to the uncles lah.

because of your side, mine get pushed back. so i have to suffer somemore.

i hope i can leave by september

really meh? i heard from the enciks, the 2 squadrons going to combined which is confirmed already, so they combine manpower..

but even then, many regulars tech also going for early release..

kopiosatu SG

really meh? i heard from the enciks, the 2 squadrons going to combined which is confirmed already, so they combine manpower..

but even then, many regulars tech also going for early release..

HAHAHAHAHAH u dun find that idea stupid?

combine squadron, combine manpower into 1 squadron. but total aircrafts same as 2 squadrons.

that's so WTF.

stellazio SG

HAHAHAHAHAH u dun find that idea stupid?

combine squadron, combine manpower into 1 squadron. but total aircrafts same as 2 squadrons.

that's so WTF.

yar, but i think the tasking set aside for flying is lesser, and also some pilots will be gone already.. but either way, they're still gonna be totally maxed out..

but i find that the F5's will still be here for another few years, so why exactly did they stop the intake of nsf techs is beyond me..

anyway our tower controllers are also paid much lesser then SIA. although i agree that their job over there is much much more..

kopiosatu SG

yar, but i think the tasking set aside for flying is lesser, and also some pilots will be gone already.. but either way, they're still gonna be totally maxed out..

but i find that the F5's will still be here for another few years, so why exactly did they stop the intake of nsf techs is beyond me..

anyway our tower controllers are also paid much lesser then SIA. although i agree that their job over there is much much more..

how to be lesser when there is a minimum amount of flying hours to be met?

they stopped because the uncles are taking over.

technicians are grossly underpaid here, no OT nevermind... clock and clear day off also ngiao.

i already experienced splitting of squadron, no manpower still split. CB. just to create jobs for the highly paid people. yeah, create more jobs for me also. now they want to combine, people are saying WTF for, its the same anyway.

stellazio SG

how to be lesser when there is a minimum amount of flying hours to be met?

they stopped because the uncles are taking over.

technicians are grossly underpaid here, no OT nevermind... clock and clear day off also ngiao.

no ar, the acc command can set a lower tasking requirement to be met if they want to. F16's also usually never meet their tasking one..

isn;t nsfs even cheaper labour then those uncles from ST?hahaha..

yeah i see the techs work so hard and long hours, its not justified for the pay that they're getting and the food they're eating.

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