IHL NSmen: On Further Studies, Yet ICT Notice Comes ?

EtherealLife SG

fierce "debate"..

anyway.. IHL status are given to local Uni Undergrad only as the 3 specific Unis have made arrangements for their students to be called up for ICTs only during their Fixed vacation periods.

research based PHD could be a problem as they do not have fixed lessons like Undergrad degrees.. same for attachment programs falling within ICTs duration..

as for overseas students.. both undergrad n postgrad students are on distruption and most probably be living in that country unless there are summer/winter holidays. there is no point calling them back as their schedules would not be e same as local undergrad degrees. only when they have finished their degrees will they come back to "serve".

LazerLordz SG

why, you got something against people with lower education is it, fucker?

and what kind of idiot are you to think he need to do another FOUR years if he mess up? any person with half a brain will first think about TS repeating ONE year if he mess up.

are you high or are you stupid?

Do you think a research based PHD will require just one year to repeat? Research activity is something very subjective and very often are not easily repeatable like modular forms of education.

If you understand where Arapahoe is coming from, you'd understand what it means to lose years of research should a vital component of it be disrupted, especially if it is a time-sensitive.

Again, to all, please refrain from vulgarities. It will only flame up the situation.

Arapahoe SG

why, you got something against people with lower education is it, fucker?

and what kind of idiot are you to think he need to do another FOUR years if he mess up? any person with half a brain will first think about TS repeating ONE year if he mess up.

are you high or are you stupid?

Yes how you response is exactly how TS reponded

"Are you high or are you stupid?"

TS consiously put off joining the work force to pursue 1 goal. The "years" he put in to be where he is right now and the risk of disruption from the programme out weight completing ICT. And you have no way to understand where he was in his work.

Not everyone will get back to the programme and some check themselved into woodbridge.

Arapahoe SG

The thing is this, if you are working and they call you up, they reimburse your salary. But I am paying my own school fees of SGD2400 a semester plus I am studying full-time and not taking in a salary. If they are willing to reimburse me, then it won't be so bad, but that is not the case. That's why I made the comparison to overseas students. Since students are not taking in salary, then shouldn't all full-time students be disrupted regardless of location?

well the subject is not about dollars n cents and perharps when u are in a position to make policy than you might want to include NUS pHd candidate get ICT disruption during the entired programme.

As for individuals studied overseas, Mindef accepted the exit permit for a duration of the study. That is a period of 3 - 4 years. There are enough time for unit to plan out their strength.

Not to trivalizes NUS students but I think Mindef simply use common sense that nobody would really want the person to fly back for 2 weeks. who know it might be their final exam week? Same story as yours.

but of course in the exit permit it state that if there is a emergency recalled individual must returned. If SG happen to fight with neighbouring country all overseas NS men must either at somepoint take a flight and para drop into Singapore or Swim to the shore. Pedra Blanca would be the nearest stop.

Ah Chia SG

So I call up my battalion 2ic and the guy said same thing. PhD is not considered course-based by MINDEF so cannot defer (These ppl really dun know what is scientific research-based degree). So finally I got hold of my CO and he told me to see him in camp 1st day of ICT. So I did just that and he finally granted my deferment. At last I met an intelligent person in the army.

So my question is why does MINDEF keep calling up postgrad students when it will disrupt our studies?

Many foreigners coming to Singapore are in their late 20s or older. They are already economically productive and can immediately contribute to Singapore’s economy. It makes little sense to disrupt their activities for two years.

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/ns-for-foreigners

No choice, you are local born, if foreign citizen then they won't touch, local die die must touch.

zachareth SG

I hope we can refrain from using vulgarities. Lower education does not mean you are stupid or of lower worth. But people who use threats, foul language and personal attacks instead of civilised debate are fools. It only serves to demonstrate your agitation and therefore exposes your insecurity.

As many have commented, it is impractical for overseas postgrad students to come back for ICT. Isn't it also unfair for self-financing local postgrads to get called up? Since undergrads are exempted, is it so difficult to extend this exemption to postgrads?

As for the foreigners issue, if Singapore continues on this path of preferential treatment to foreigners, very soon the emigration rate will increase and this will be detrimental to the economy. I for one feel Singapore is becoming an "everyone for himself" society with too few policies to protect our locally born citizens. Therefore it is not surprising that so many Singaporeans I know feel they are being treated unfairly in some way. I myself will probably be migrating to Germany with my German fiancee in the near future.

gigabyte14 SG

wah all got degree and Phd here... mi the smallest fuck here lor... nvm..... important point is to have gal to fuck in the first place what... tio bo?

wtf la u no link la

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