Commanders Anyhow Override MC?

Gloater SG

MOs in camp always think that you are trying to keng when you see them. most only believe at most half of what you say. Whats more is that they don;t even believe what specialist tell them.

Don't always blame others before you look into the mirror and see that reflection staring back at you. MOs tend to veer toward keng when he feels he's at the 50-50 mark between believing and disbelieving is because of the hundreds of thousands of kengsters who have been kenging 40 yrs ago since NS began until now,. since you're in NS, can you deny that there are many kengsters?? frm the more educated ones with A level or dip who go to specialists hoping to be PES C to the mono intake men who report sick every other day. kengsters are aplenty in SAF since day 1.

MO's decision to believe someone's kenging when he's at 50-50 mark between believing and disbelieving is a RESULT of the kengsters from 40 yrs ago. Look into the mirror and correct yourself first before condemning others. Because the phenomenon of MO's cynicism is a direct result of a systemic flaw that you have created yourselves.

seotiblizzard SG

Want to keng then kena find out, now then kpkb.

Rednano SG

dont u noe... CPT ranked doctors r also NSFs too...

disrupt enlistment for their MBBS medical degree. next, just graduated from medical school with their doctors' licenses, and then, re-enlist back in NS. followed by their MOCC (conversion course), and finally serve finish their remaining months of NSF time... thus, also serve and F off type...

Gloater SG

When did I say that MOs are regulars or that they're not NSF? of cos i know they are NSFs. who dunno that? There are regular MOs but there are many times more NSF MOs. In fact the ratio is not even comparable. who dunno that

For another fellow NSF to form such a poor judgment abt the soldiers in general as he diagnoses them, when he himself is an NSF just shows how blatant the kenging culture is. Thanks for reinforcing my point.

LazerLordz SG

Point is, the prevalence of kengsters does not equate to dismissing the oath one takes as a doctor lightly.

There is a difference between manpower requirement in peace, and wartime. Get the priorities right, because there seems to be a gap, and a glaring one.

Secondly, if you're an NSF who always kengs, chances are, it will come back to bite you in the ass when it's your turn to be credibly sick.

Gloater SG

Point is, the prevalence of kengsters does not equate to dismissing the oath one takes as a doctor lightly.

There is a difference between manpower requirement in peace, and wartime. Get the priorities right, because there seems to be a gap, and a glaring one.

Secondly, if you're an NSF who always kengs, chances are, it will come back to bite you in the ass when it's your turn to be credibly sick.

There's no MO who will diagnose a truly ill soldier who's vomitting blood errorneously. That'll be taking the oath lightly. If a dispropotionately number of a sample size has shown to be a certain way, logic requires a thinking person to veer towards that if he was on the 50-50 mark between belief and disbelief.

Second, there is NO difference in manpower requirement in peace and war time. So i guess you think you can have an army in a certain way in peace time that will on auto mode be like Rambo in war time. Then I am relievef that you're a nobody in SAF.

Third, NSF who always kengs where got kena bitten in the ass when he's credibly sick? If so then indeed you have proven that it is CORRECT for the MO to err on the side of skepticism. Its the MO's tendency to think a kengster is kenging so indeed when the one time he's not, he gets punished for his wrongdoing.

Also, where got bite ass??? it costs the kengsters nothing to keng. their mentality is: if they dun try, the chance is 0%. if they try and fail, then they have to go back to try to be a real man who takes up his responsibility as a person. if they try and it works, hurray! so of cos they will try.

LazerLordz SG

Third, NSF who always kengs where got kena bitten in the ass when you're credibly sick? If so then indeed you have proven that it is CORRECT for the MO to err on the side of skepticism. Also, it costs the kengsters nothing to keng. their mentality is: if they dun try, the chance is 0%. if they try and fail, then they have to go back to try to be a real man who takes up his responsibility as a person. if they try and it works, hurray! so of cos they will try.

There is a difference. I will not go into further details here.

Please read carefully what I have posted/implied. ;)

Lastly, there is a cost to be paid for erring on the side of caution, because fresh medical graduates may not be entirely accurate in diagnoses for every Joe Ah Seng.

Gloater SG

lets just say, in an ideal world parallel universe, if no singaporean male ever keng-ed, i assure u that no MO today is prejudiced against any NSF who comes to see him. The happening now is the result of something else. that all I said. and no one can deny that. just ask any officer or MO in SAF.

LazerLordz SG

Sure, that may be the reality on the ground. However, does that make it ethically right? I call BS.

The people you should ask are individuals who have been perceived to have applied undue pressure on MOs to ensure a low sick-note rate. ;)

Rednano SG

Sure, that may be the reality on the ground. However, does that make it ethically right? I call BS.

The people you should ask are individuals who have been perceived to have applied undue pressure on MOs to ensure a low sick-note rate. ;)

during my nsf time last time, in the canteen, i overheard some PCs talking abt some office politics between the unit CO, coy OCs vs the Bde MO and the Battalion MOs on the report sick percentage rate and medical board results... that reflects a 'not good' for unit performance...

Gloater SG

Sure, that may be the reality on the ground. However, does that make it ethically right? I call BS.

The people you should ask are individuals who have been perceived to have applied undue pressure on MOs to ensure a low sick-note rate. ;)

Same lah same lah. Whether its the PERSON who 'applied undue pressure' or the MO himself, no one would even need to do anything if there wasn't a kenging culture within the SAF with so many malingerers. Shame shame.

another thing: what you 'perceive' from where you are is normally nothing close to the truth cos you are looking up from the bottom and the only thing you can see are people's dicks.

LazerLordz SG

Same lah same lah. Whether its the PERSON who 'applied undue pressure' or the MO himself, no one would even need to do anything if there wasn't a kenging culture with SAF with so many malingerers. shame shame. another thing: what you 'perceive' from where you are is normally nothing close to the truth cos you are looking up from the bottom and the only thing you can see are people's dicks.

Now you are beginning to amuse me.

It has often been said that policymaking is best made with feet on the ground, but it seems like being up in the clouds is the best way forward, aye?

Cheers. Stay fit in the service (ICT and whatnot)

Gloater SG

Now you are beginning to amuse me.

It has often been said that policymaking is best made with feet on the ground, but it seems like being up in the clouds is the best way forward, aye?

Cheers. Stay fit in the service (ICT and whatnot)

The feeling is mutual.

Policy making is best made from 'helicopter' view, when you have a view of the expanse and horizons on a lateral breadth, with both feet on the ground and eyes taking in knowledge and view of the top and intelligence to process both and envision how. Thats why people on top can see everything, a big picture and including what happening at the bottom.

And people at the bottom cannot see any level beyond their own and when they look up they only see people's dick so they unhappy and buay kang wang.

Rednano SG

though sometimes... the upstairs make things look nice on paper from their point of view, but make things more complicated, more procedures and more messy from the middle management level and the workers level...

LazerLordz SG

The feeling is mutual.

And people at the bottom cannot see any level beyond their own and when they look up they only see people's dick so they unhappy and buay kang wang.

Now you're speaking on the same page. It would be unfortunate to do so otherwise, which always lead to a credibility gap between policymaking and execution at the other end of the rope.

But, and I say it with careful deliberation, the people at the bottom are able to shape policy even if it is from a reactionary perspective. On a slightly unrelated note, I'm sure you have heard of the notion of the "Strategic Corporal".

Bottoms-up autonomy of action and decision can be a positive force as well. And similarly, it would be a mistake to dismiss all concerns from the ground, and label the view from the bottom as one clouded with jealousy. It could very well be miscommunication of values and lessons learnt, or even a deficit in the process of taking care of the men that prompt a "keng" mentality.

LazerLordz SG

Specialists have the tough challenge of straddling higher HQ command philosophies and tactical decisions that have to be made on the ground. It's never an easy job.

Cheers guys.

Gloater SG

Its the mediocre middle managers, the farmer types and the ppl with low CEPs like many evil RSMs or useless 35 yr old Majs who are resistant to work and do not wish to do work that do not give them showmanship and add to their PB and try to arrow the work away- that makes moving things in SAF so onerous a mission.

Gloater SG

Pls refer to above. Same response.

LazerLordz SG

Too common, too common.

Gloater SG

touching further on what you say decisions from the top may complicate and add more work to the middle management, here's something to think abt.

The bulk of the deadwood in SAF are concentrated in the middle management. Middle management is where you can find all the people who would not go beyond a certain rank so they're parked there. until their contract expires and they cease wasting taxpayers' $.So you'll find that in that zone you see the highest % of them there. of cos there are high fliers and they too have to go through their maj and ltc but because of the large number of deadwoods parked there, high fliers are a small %.

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