NS Default/ Desertion: Forfeit $75,000 NS Security Bond

last SG · 2008-07-29T00:11:36+00:00

Its a valuable life experience of humility, discipline, tolerating your emotions.If one does not want to be intimidated by the sergeants and officers, then h...

eac SG

I believe, once the child come back, he can be freed of all charges after paying an "administrative" fee of S$5000

dun mislead the pple... that case is a man age not so FFI for service liao...

Ponders SG

dun mislead the pple... that case is a man age not so FFI for service liao...

And he was subjected to an older law.

Not the new one.

fishbuff1 SG

care to elaborate what you mean?

i had worked for a foreign boss in SG that are younger than me. he is more capable than me so im alright with that.

but i have attend some interviews at investment banks in sg and as i walked into the IT department, the whole dept are comprised of ah nehs and not a single singaporeans in sight.

in my last company in sg, out of 300 IT staffs, less than 5 are singaporeans.

eagle SG

the place where I'm working now, in my cubicle of 4 people, 2 are singaporeans, 1 is malaysian, and 1 is a PRC who has been here for >15 years (not one that came recently hor).

In the cubicle beside, all 4 are Singaporeans (working for 4 ~ 10+ years).

I guess it depends on the job scope, because while attending new hires program, I saw that those IT guys were all Indians too.

rain-coat SG

great sacrifice? if his father cant even teach him basic values of serving his nation, how great can that sacrifice be? he is just showing his son that when money comes into play, out goes your values and along with it your nation...in a foreign land he will always be a foreigner(take PRCs in sg as an example) and in his birh place, he is no longer a citizen and cant even enter sg...so where does he belong?

snk86 SG

If you are between 13 and 16.5 years old:
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. If you are remaining overseas for 2 years or longer, your parents/guardians will also need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.

If you are above 16.5 and have not enlisted for NS:
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. Your parents/guardians will need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.

Those who require exit permit of 2 years or longer will be required to furnish a bond. This bonding requirement is similar to the current arrangement where security in the form of Banker's Guarantee must be furnished. The amount of the security bond is S$75,000 or 50% of the combined gross annual income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher. The monetary bond requirement for male citizens who accompany their parents on overseas employment may be waived and they be bonded by deed with two sureties.

Why must MINDEF impose exit controls on NS-liable males?

Exit controls are necessary to ensure that NS-liable males who have gone overseas to study or reside at a young age return to fulfil their NS responsibilities.

Will young males aged 13 to 16.5 who fail to apply for an exit permit be sentenced to imprisonment?

The penalty for exit permit offences of young males aged 13 to 16.5 will be a fine of up to $2,000, with no custodial sentences. They will however be subjected to harsher penalties should they continue to breach of the Enlistment Act after age 16.5.

Males above 16.5 years who travel and remain overseas without applying for an exit permit would have committed an offence under the Enlistment Act. They will be liable upon conviction to a fine of up to $10,000 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or both.

Arapahoe SG

u mean getting conscripted into the army, get intimidation by the sergeants and officers, no social life and subjected to full military laws while earning pitance throughout 2.5 years of ns? can that be valuable life exp?

It is to get out of being a student for a short period of time and experience something different to enrich and bring it back to learning. In the hope that it brings depth to learning.

asdfzhao SG

firstly, why serve a nation that does'nt serve the citizens well?

secondly, ever heard: "money makes the world round"?, some people are valueing money above values, and they are doing pretty well (financially)

thirdly, if you have better prospects in a foreign land, do you think you will go there? I think you would.

lastly, a man who has made a big name for himself will be wanted by most countries and companies.

Rednano SG

one of my friend put in $75,000 bond to mindef in order to bring his 14years old son to the USA to study years ago. And now, the kid had scored distinctions in his exams and proceed on with his doctorate study, my friend decided that he will forfeit the $75k bond so that his son can continue on his academic pursuit in the USA without any hinderance.

such a sacrifice from a parent!

i heard that... please confirm:

next time when i have a son, if i send him to other western countries b4 age 11, which i heard that SG gahmen defines as "yet to receive govt social benefits/subsidies":

1) do i need to put up the $75k?

2) can renounce citizenship when turn 21 still overseas, without get arrest /without doing ns?

3) dual citizenship issue?
e.g.: US

US Embassy official FAQ: http://singapore.usembassy.gov/military_service_in_singapore.html

http://singapore.usembassy.gov/dual_nationality3.html

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html

SG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_nationality_law

fishbuff1 SG

i heard that... please confirm:

1.. $75k for sons that have reached teenage years. e.g. >12years old. only applicable to citizens, PRs and foreigners are exempted.

2. yup. 2 of my friends have done it. throw in their citizenships and took out ALL their cpfs.

3. in theory, No. but there are many, many singaporeans having dual citizenships. but who is going to enforce this?

i have done my NS and completed my NS till 40.

my cousin's husband drowned in the late 70s during his army reservist. left behind 2 young kids.

Ponders SG

Basically.. the laws regarding the ages is to prevent and discourage boys from being taken out of the country.

<12 years old = primary 5 or 6. Haven't done PSLE, so no "official" school results to base on for foreign schools. The job would be harder for parents to find a suitable school.

<16.5 years old = sec 4, haven't done O level. same story.

for renouncing Citizenship... so long you have already entered 16.5 years old and liable for NS, you cannot renounce until you serve it.

Fishbuff1's friends might be able to renounce the citizenship on virtue of dual citizenship (Singapore allows dual citizenship until 21 years old).

For dual citizenship, it is unclear. Singapore does not have a very specific law on the repercussion if one is caught to have 2 citizenships. Singapore's policy is that Dual Citizenship is NOT recognised.

meaning, should a US/Singapore Citizen is caught in singapore doing somethign criminal, the person is not entitled to the rights that a US citizen should get while caught in singapore (i.e. access to consular assistance, etc)

In fact I have known people who are allowed to keep their Singapore citizenship when they want to renounce it for other citizenship.

rain-coat SG

firstly, why serve a nation that does'nt serve the citizens well?

secondly, ever heard: "money makes the world round"?, some people are valueing money above values, and they are doing pretty well (financially)

thirdly, if you have better prospects in a foreign land, do you think you will go there? I think you would.

lastly, a man who has made a big name for himself will be wanted by most countries and companies.

are you a sg citizen? have you received your education? have you enjoyed the safety and security in sg? here in sg compared to other countries considered quite good already.

firstly, this is where i was born and raised and i will serve my nation when the time comes

secondly, whats all the money in the world if people are going to remember you only for your money

thirdly, i would go there after i have finished my duties to my country

lastly, wont he also be wanted by his own country?

im not saying that its wrong to go overseas, but rather its wrong to evade your duties to your nation

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