Can one be an S3 Without Having Done an OC tour?

cookiecookie SG

has your friend cleared CTC/AIOC? If so then his OC tour needs to be as in combat OC tour before he is allowed to go BTC.

As what Herzog_Zwei said, better ask your friend to check with the unit's S1/G1. They can advise better.

If i am not wrong AIOC is for Infantry, Guards and Commando only. Armour, the all the support arms like Signals, Artillery and Combat Engineers go elsewhere, to another course. He did CTC before his OC tour but not AIOC. What does "combat" OC tour mean? Does it mean that it must be in a non-support arm? He did his OC tour in a support arm (one of those navy blue berets arm). Don't tell me officers from support arm cannot do BTC ah?

BTW, BTC is a preparation for S3 or CO?

monoslayer SG

ur fren = u?

cookiecookie SG

No lah! I am in the private sector lah.

LazerLordz SG

Did your friend do his OC tour at Joint ? or RSN CDS. There are Army chaps who get posted there .

cookiecookie SG

What i joint? Joint plans? Don't think there are OC positions there right? All staff appointments one haha! I think mostly like RSN then.

SBST390 SG

What i joint? Joint plans? Don't think there are OC positions there right? All staff appointments one haha! I think mostly like RSN then.

Can you go and check with your frd where he did his OC tour? Are you even aware that there are several units in the three services participating as joint services resources? OR your friend's unit so secretive until cannot say?

cookiecookie SG

No i was not aware that there are command appointments in joint. I knew that there were staff appointments in joint.

btw i replied u again in the phillip chionh thread.

Phaze SG

Anyway, as your friend said, he should talk to the unit S1.

But from what you have said, I think it's quite tough. The OC tour is usually where they start to funnel people into combat or staff appointments. There's a lot of competition for S3 appointments.

AlphaWhiskey02 SG

Air-force, navy and army and 3 different Services. Support arms in army means artillery, signals, logistics,engineers etc in support of moving troops. They are also combat appointments just in their own arms. They are eligible for advancement courses e.g. CTC, BTC, SCSC, same as moving vocations i.e. commandos, guards, infantry.

CTC is to prepare for OC appt and BTC is to prepare for Bn S3 appt. Anything higher is to go through the SCSC (Singapore Command and Staff College). This course is also open to Singapore Police Force officers.

Youe mentioned earlier that "He did his OC tour in a support arm (one of those navy blue berets arm). Don't tell me officers from support arm cannot do BTC ah?"

I guessed he cleared his OC tour as OC of FDS (Field Defence Squardron) meaning to provide the land defence of the naval camps. My friend was a PC there. For this issue, I really suggest he check with his S1 regarding his ROA (Route of advancement).

Cheers.

cookiecookie SG

I think no hope liao, from what all of you say. I think hong kan already.

cookiecookie SG

. The OC tour is usually where they start to funnel people into combat or staff appointments. There's a lot of competition for S3 appointments.

Sorry I donch understand what you mean by this statement. Of cos after OC tour, it's either combat or staff appointments. Are there any other type of appointments besides combat and staff????

cookiecookie SG

I guessed he cleared his OC tour as OC of FDS (Field Defence Squardron) meaning to provide the land defence of the naval camps. My friend was a PC there.

I dun mean in navy. I mean one of those support arms where they wear the beret that is "navy blue" in colour. if i am not wrong, all support arms people like signals and artillery wear this color of beret.

LazerLordz SG

Really, if he's done an OC equivalent tour, I feel there's nothing to worry.

OC equivalent can be SO1/SO2 in any given branch in CSSCOM HQ too.

saline SG

Sorry I donch understand what you mean by this statement. Of cos after OC tour, it's either combat or staff appointments. Are there any other type of appointments besides combat and staff????

instructor?

AlphaWhiskey02 SG

think end of the day, it's still better for your friend to talk to his S1/Manpower with regards to his ROA.

All the best to him!

cookiecookie SG

Really, if he's done an OC equivalent tour, I feel there's nothing to worry.

OC equivalent can be SO1/SO2 in any given branch in CSSCOM HQ too.

wah you sound very sure leh! What is SO1/SO2? What is CSSCOM?

And are you positive that all OC tours within Mindef are transferable? I really question this.

for eg an OC tour in navy or joint would be totally different than an OC tour in army, eg no. of people you lead, operational intricacies. how can all the OC tours under Mindef be transferable? an OC in army leads over 100 men, an OC in navy is like 1/3 of that, airforce is even fewer leh. I think joint is also about 1/3 of that.Then like that, you will find officers crossing from army, navy, air force, joint, etc etc freely, which is not the case.

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