SAF= QING Dynasty

Ponders SG

Ok.. not when Pu Yi was 3 years old.

But Pu Yi in his adult life, the kind of decisions he makes.

And why are you calling Teo Emperor?? its disrepectful for the "Lee" Twisted Evil

constancebay SG

MINDEF= The Grand Council in Qing dynasty. That is if you know what is Grand Council. If not do a search on the internet to find out what it is.

constancebay SG

Teo is the Emperor of SAF while Lee is the Emperor of Singapore. Twisted Evil

Or we can say that Teo is the Emperor while Lee is Cixi. The power of SAF seems to be in the hands of Teo but it is actually in the power of Lee

Ponders SG

Hehe... what did teo do to you ah? Make you his eunuch ah? haha

my time Teo was nice to me.. because of the training deaths then...

now.. they try to squeeze the most out of NSFs since only 2 years time to do so.

infantry SG

you must be retarded since birth or something similar to come up with this crap. the SAF is one of the best, if not, the best organisation in the world and i am humbled by its presence. to ridicule the SAF is tatamount to spitting at our National Flag.

the SAF does not only protects our homeland, it builds strong soldiers who can tak on a hundred enemies and we are born to fight and lead. character is cemented since the first day and we mighty warriors of the SAF surely have more integrity then stooping down to this level and insult the mighty SAF? Rolling Eyes

blessed are us singaporean males as we get to serve NS, something which is very beautiful and turn boys into warriors.

you need to respect command or you will NEVER command respect.

SAF: THE DECISIVE FORCE

Ponders SG

I agree with you in principle..

but i don't agree with that certain regulars do not have the passion to give the best and yet got the cheek to strike down NSFs with genuine love for their country and write them off as a "unnecessary wayang" who makes me look bad.

dkcx SG

I would say thats the image SAF wants everyone to see. Both singaporeans, our neighbours and the entire world.

However all of us who been in and out of it we know the flaws in the entire system. Theres alot of room for improvement in the SAF, i believe everyone of us in the different vocations feel there are ways that our respective formations to improve to increase efficiency but most of them are not implemented even if we suggest. With all the loopholes etc we know, its not really hard to cripple SAF's operations since they don't make it hard in the first place.

constancebay SG

See how many people agree with you and you will know that you are the 1 who is retarded.

You have the same mentality as the retarded people of the QIng dynasty

They thinks that the Qing dynasty is one of the best, if not, the best organisation in the world and they are humbled by its presence. to ridicule the Qing dynasty is tatamount to spitting at our National Flag.

They believe that the QIng dynasty does not only protects our homeland, it builds strong soldiers who can tak on a hundred enemies and we are born to fight and lead. character is cemented since the first day and we mighty warriors of the Qing dynasty surely have more integrity then stooping down to this level and insult the mighty Qing dynasty? Rolling Eyes

See what happen to the Qing dynasty in the end

constancebay SG

As I have mentioned in point 5, it fully describes infantry

5. The Qing dynasty is incompetent but as usual there were still be some people who will chose to forever be loyal to the dynasty no matter how badly they are being treated.

Same goes to the SAF. There will always be some people who will chose to be loyal to the SAF no matter how badly they are being treated. Even if they are being thrown into DB they still love and serve the SAF wholeheartily

constancebay SG

He never do anything to me. This is just my observation

KoolKool SG

I agree with Infantry more than Constancebay. Of course there will be similarities, but there are more differences.

The co-ordinated fire power of SAF is not by chance. There's a lot of work done at the higher level, where people at the bottom don't get to see.

The people who does saikang are just like frogs in the well looking up. They will be frustrated and upset, but somebody got to do those stuff.

They are not at the higher level not because they are no good, but because of their short 2 years NSF. They can do well or better in the commercial world.

So, let us give our support to those regulars who put their best years in the SAF so that the rest of us need only do 2 years NSF.

infantry SG

i salute you for your loyalty to our country.

kengkia SG

Laughing ....freeeeddooommmm fffiiiiggghhhhttterrrrr......!!!!!!

LazerLordz SG

Mad

dkcx SG

Yeah but don't forget SAF still depends more on NSF than regulars to run everything including manning most of those advance technology. Higher level can plan alot of stuff, they plan big but very often they plan and implement alot of things that are illogical are just not practical and its the bottom people that suffers.

Alot of plans made by the higher levle people just takes into account what they want to achieve. Once implemented, we have to follow their plans and how often does it make our work even more difficult than before, wasting even more resources than the old system does? Many loopholes in the system are not really rectified well and very often we work like shit to get things right and just because things look right when it reach higher level, they feel their plan was great...

If you want say people are frogs in the well then i would say the entire place is covered by wells with frogs in them and higher management see everything but what the frogs can see which when added together will be a larger picture because we know how things work on the ground better than they do.

KenPlus SG

Aiya every organisation has it pros and cons,it just that SAF is a Non profit organisation hence competition is not fierce,jobs more secure, so we can see alot of slackers around LOL,of course lah ,also have those really hardworking,passion people(regardless of regular ,nsfs) around,but it somehow hard to see LOL,in my 2.5 yrs in army

Icemoon SG

what is that? I know the Jun1 Ji1 Chu4 though. Laughing

Do we have the equivalent of the 8 Iron Hat Princes in our govt? Mr. Green

kengkia SG

zou3 xiang4 gong4 he2..... Laughing

constancebay SG

Grand council is Jun Ji Chu lah.

Anyway what is 8 Iron Hat Princes?

I heard of it alof of times but never really have the chance to finnd out what they are

Got. The 8 Iron Hat Princes are NG Eng Hen, KOO Tsai Kee , CHIANG Chie Foo, COL Darius LIM Jin Wui, BG LIM U Yang Hugh-Reginald, LOW Wee Ping, TAN Yoke Meng Willie, QUEK Tong Boon
Mr. Green

kengkia SG

quote:
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Originally posted by constancebay:

MINDEF= The Grand Council in Qing dynasty. That is if you know what is Grand Council. If not do a search on the internet to find out what it is.
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here u go... Laughing

Grand Council/Jun Ji Chu[/url]

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