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last SG · 2007-10-09T17:39:20+00:00

maybe add a bit more things can look like special forces trooper liao.

Xcert SG

seems like generally folks here dun like the idea of wearing body armour...

I think its a good idea...just that the fitness of the individual soldier will have to be higher...which the process of getting there is what people dun like... Laughing Mr. Green

crimean SG

wear body armour sure will kenna heatstroke more easily....

maybe should make a body armour cum air con suit Laughing

ouchtthurt SG

They wont be using it for jungle warfare right? Cant see the purpose for armor to be used in the jungle.

Quite zai lah, dun complain. Got LBV, SAR, 3G and now armor. Last time no one gives two hoots about all these nonsense.

Heard that getting heat rash is common too.

LazerLordz SG

Hmm...

Why now..

mr_sotong SG

lucky.. ORD loh.. Laughing

Hellraiza SG

an average soldier won’t have any problems wearing vest-slacks plus BPV run 3 click.

seancannot SG

agree if wear vest should be PT kit only … otherwise too hot and heavy

crimean SG

I HAVE PROBLEM DOING THAT COZ I NOT COMBAT FIT!!!

Crying or Very sad Sad Sad

equlus84 SG

Sometimes, I thin SAF is obsessed with mimmicking the western armies in every way......

Yes, body armour is good, offer more protection against ballistic fragments, rounds, 3G FIBUA fighting gadgets and tools can increase the efficiency and capabilities of the troops in urban operations.......BUT SAF have forgotten that our infantry men are stil basically foot soldiers, and they carry whatever load they have to battle. Besides, our weather is very hot and humid, troops may end up suffering from heat exhaustion even before they hit for the objective. Western armies have wheeled AFV as mobility transport, so no matter how heavy the gear, they dun mind carrying. Furthermore, the built of westerners are larger, so their ability to carry more load is definite.

I think SAF should seriously spend more time to take care of the basics. Eg. is they should invent a variety of bandolieers that can carry things like maps, better LBV water pouch, more wear resistant LBV. Bcos even during my time, we have to carry those maps in those commercial plastic canister, and extra things have to be hooked onto the field pack using nets and bicycle hooks.

blitzonic SG

Disagree that we’re apeing the West. If anything, IMO it’s a recognition that our troops are increasingly put in potential harm’s way. You don’t agree that now are we’re deploying NSFs to do POI, for example, & they don’t need every protection they can get?

Ponders SG

Agree with equlus84...

the basic soldier's outfit don't provide space for,

a) signal set
b) 1 x 24hr ration
c) maps
d) compass (grenade pouch isn't for compass)
e) pocket knife

i don't understand why 3SG's signal set is shiny grey.

LazerLordz SG

What you see now, is just the tip of the transformation.

The more gear we load on ourselves..means... you do the math lah.

Also, we might be increasingly be called upon for higher intensity missions in the future, that's what I feel.

Hellraiza SG

Off topic abit. The new fieldpack, IMO, sucks. All the weight gets pushed to the bottom

WiNtEr'SkiLL SG

madness .. havnt fight war already entire platoon down

maggot SG

If a "mad man" wear 1 of these and runs off with a lot of ammunition and a rifle...during a live firing range

It will be tough to clear the mess Laughing

Hellraiza SG

Oh come on. I give our soldiers more credit than that.

chanjyj SG

Last time got people complain not enough protection etc.
Now want to complain too heavy.

Win some, lose some. You should stop being fickle and quit complaining. Confused
Decision is implemented anyway. Do you think you can change it by whining?

chanjyj SG

My 2 cents after doing the ranger course-armour in urban areas, none in jungle, armour for training.

equlus84 SG

Let me elaborate my stand more to clear some misunderstanding.......

I do not deny that it will be better for our troops to be equipped with sensor of 3G era.........BUT we got to see the situation too. I do not deny the POI guys need more protection as they may face terrorist acts, I do not deny that the UN teams need vest to protect them from rds fired from aggressor forces. But what I mean is that we need to factor in the level of mechanisation and the weather of the area of OPS. Eg. if 3SIR gets those vest, I have nothing to say, as they are operating in BUA ops and that SAF is toying with the idea of transforming some SIR into mechanised Inf, so the weight issue is not that significant. But for those general purpose infantry, with no luxury of mechanise support, the weight is going to kill them.........

Talking abt the basics, let me highlight an issue. Back in the days of using the 732 radio sets, they do not have a proper bandolieer to carry it. The funny thing is that it has been used for so long in SAF and no one bothers to invent a proper carrier setup!! End up the SC commander have to either put it in the poncho pouch or put it in the water bottle pouch, thus reducing the availability to drink fluids.

dark_riverter SG

I think when it's time for 4G SAF, the soldiers will have so much equipment on themselves that the equipment will carry the soldier around.

AKA Gundam Style!!!

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