Death during AHM 2007

borntolive SG

wait a min, i thought defibs are used only if no pulse is detected? if u say he has a irregular weak pulse, Defib cant be used rite?

But if the runner pulse has not been detected, why defib not given?

nightzip SG

this is interesting, remember there is also a case of someone about 1-2 years back, where the person crossed/almost cross the finishing line and then died?
That person also has a history of long distance running.
I remember replying to the thread as well. I think the factors to death are the following:

1). Someone who has ran before marathons, and am confident. But they have less than 4 years continuous training on the marathons
2). They passed on/collapse at the finishing line ==> they tried to overwork their heart by running faster to get a better timing.
3). On point 2, it might be a wrong technique that runners have used to breathe during the last couple hundreds of meters to get better timing. This could be due to improper guidance of training ==> since most runners arent professional, but amateurs, who have developed their own technique of running and sprinting at the last meters. Shocked

EXCO SG

Its not about pulse, its about the beating of the heart. Even if no pulse is detected, the heart might still be beating, just that the rhythm is unable to pump blood to a point where the pulse can be felt.

Defibs will not have any effect if the heart has completely stopped. A lot of people have a wrong understanding about defibrillation, no thanks to the movies.

Defibs are used for getting the heart rhythm from a irregular rhythm back to a regular rhythm. Defib in itself cannot "restart" a heart that has stopped completely.

Regarding the last question, there are many answers as to why defib is not given. If the Defib on scene is an AED, chances are that the AED will not allow the shock as the rhythm is non-shockable, in this case no heartbeat at all. If a manual defib is on scene, i.e. Lifepak12, the paramedic will analyse the ECG and deem that defib will not be of use due to the rhythm.

The SAF uses the AED on medical cover, only SCDF will bring out a manual defib to location.

vIn.Warrior SG

i'm getting very scared. i'm a regular endurance runner and i love to join such events too.

mayb i'll be next! Crying or Very sad

ouchtthurt SG

Was this captain guards by vocation? Because I seemed to see his picture in the st once with a sand beret, then I saw again with a red beret? Or my eyes pa jiao?

eac SG

wrong...

there are 5 lifepak12 on site at the medical observation tentage when i was there in 2006. even the body cooling unit ( portable bcu) is there, beside the resuscitation site.

for the rest of the med cover points along the route, only basic standard ippt med cover equitment is provided such as the aed and the oxygen tank with mask. and some water points.

Reveille SG

He's a guardsmen. It's your eyes.

ouchtthurt SG

Oh well. I muz be getting old. Shocked

Anyone else can clearify?

croco2006 SG

Why no MO there?

borntolive SG

MO cant be in every single location la... but at finishing point there should be at least a MO wad? Confused

Unidentified SG

is marathon a deadly sport ? every run got ppl die , some more half marathon nia

any RIP to the captain

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