military vehicles

last SG · 2007-02-15T21:05:40+00:00

Bro, Faded colour doesn't mean that the vehicle sucks. What really matters is whether can the vehicle safely support your mission without breaking down. Colo...

LazerLordz SG

There is a lot of truth in the above post.

Anyway, just curious, what's your experience like on PASV? Laughing

ah-soh SG

but for armoured vechicles aka tankers, i think only sungei gedong got the repair base

KoolKool SG

do you wash your civilian car just before sending to the workshop ? My workshop accepts cars in any conditions, but makes sure they are washed and vacuumed before returning to the owner.

our children are brought up in this mode. why not have an automatic truckwash at 9AMB, or subcontract the washing.

LazerLordz SG

The cars do not go to the workshop caked with mud. This comparison is slightly different.

It is every vehicle commander and MT's responsibility to clean their vehicles after exercise and before sending them over for depot level repair.

Ponders SG

Correct me if i am wrong..

I think 5 tonners are maintained by Singapore technologies.

their maintenance is done thru a laptop.

and the work is done by ST ppl.

Manager433 SG

Cool

+1

I'm a SAF driver ( retired Mr. Green )and also a class one driver qualify to conduct orientation driving for newly pass drivers, conduct a veh recovery operations eg towing, Attached to workshop for UTI, UVC inspections works as well. I truely support wat you mention aboved.

And after spend 12 yrs in a local major transport company doing repair,inspection work, I also agree tat end user played a major part too. Dun always blame on technicians.

ldffollower76 SG

PASV? Are you also a fellow tech?

PASV is simply a BIG wazte of time and money. I remember when i was in XX GDS, under my holdin other than the organic fleet, i also have to monitor the status of the vehicles to be ETO out for PASV. In total, i am holding a total of 3 batallions worth of soft skin vehicle and i have only 2 men to assist me(LAT Concept).

PASV will be good only when the TLAs and the MAC sincerely do their part in the annual or schedule inspection and repair. If not, all the PASV will turn out to be another major headache for the SAF in the future.

Also, the amount of time, space and money spent on PASVing those so called vehicles are, in my view, thron into the drain if you know what i mean.

In short, PASV sucks!!!!!!

LazerLordz SG

Originally posted by ldffollower76:

PASV? Are you also a fellow tech?

PASV is simply a [b]BIG wazte of time and money. I remember when i was in XX GDS, under my holdin other than the organic fleet, i also have to monitor the status of the vehicles to be ETO out for PASV. In total, i am holding a total of 3 batallions worth of soft skin vehicle and i have only 2 men to assist me(LAT Concept).

PASV will be good only when the TLAs and the MAC sincerely do their part in the annual or schedule inspection and repair. If not, all the PASV will turn out to be another major headache for the SAF in the future.

Also, the amount of time, space and money spent on PASVing those so called vehicles are, in my view, thron into the drain if you know what i mean.

In short, PASV sucks!!!!!![/b]

I'm Armament trained but was doing some LMIS work for PASV during NS.

Had to cover some PASV monitoring duties once, and I felt that there was a lot of miscommunication when it came to DS level and BN level scheduling.

KPIs, KRAs. There was a lot of improvement needed, because a lot of the "results" were locally in demand, and didn't serve to improve the overall picture.

ldffollower76 SG

Then you might as well suggest that we out source the defence of the country to contractors!!

LazerLordz SG

Originally posted by ldffollower76:

[b]Then you might as well suggest that we out source the defence of the country to contractors!![/b]

I actually disagreed with the initial FMW/CMW concept of cutting manpower and having zonal centers handle more equipment maint. responsibilities.We are not building an adequate organic military engineering force, and relying too much on contractors too.

ldffollower76 SG

Not all scope of work though.

Uniform technicians like myself are trained to do diagonistic via the MANCAT(laptop) before we deciding whether to refer to STK or to absorb the fault. STK only perform jobs like replacement of windscreen for 5 ton, accident repair, air con repair, plus many others.

Cheers!!

ldffollower76 SG

What to do? DY CMEO thinks that it is a fantastic idea.

I have heard of guys saying that they were rebuked by COL Ng Tiong LEE during their end of service interview when they complained about the FMW concept.

Well my turn comng soon and i'm going to give him a piece of my mind!!

ROD loh!!!!!!!

LazerLordz SG

FMW as a concept is fine, it is the manpower requirement that is needed, and strengthening of the linkages between them and the AMBs/MES too.

When I ORDed, everything was in chaos. Rolling Eyes Not enough manpower, and a lot of ducks talking to chickens.

^tamago^ SG

when book in to base or indeco, and VOR not word worthy then bo bian have to tow lor....

another case is condemn vehicles..... a base usually gets to see civilian tow truck once or twice a month....

KoolKool SG

Originally posted by ldffollower76:

[b]Then you might as well suggest that we out source the defence of the country to contractors!![/b]

There are already so many things that have been outsourced. So, what's wrong with me suggesting outsourcing one more item, which can greatly improve the quality of lives for drivers and technicians ? Its not even outsourcing if an automatic vehicle wash can be built.

If you think this is not constructive suggestion, maybe you have something better other than insisting the drivers to do it. I understand your frustration over mud, but do you understand the drivers' frustrations ? Is it an issue that you are not equipped properly with a goggle instead ?

You are looking only from your point of view as a technician and you think that drivers are not doing their part. And you know what the driver thinks ? Wtf, the technician is going to make the vehicle so oily and dirty after the repairs, that they might as well do a proper wash after, than before, sending to the workshop.

What about civil requisition ? Do you expect the civil resource owners to wash their vehicles so SAF can inspect and accept them ?

I don't see a problem that SAF tonners enroute a washing station on the way back to camp after an exercise in the field, as part of the operating procedure.

mhcampboy SG

I don't see a problem that SAF tonners enroute a washing station on the way back to camp after an exercise in the field, as part of the operating procedure.

I see problem. Laughing

stooki SG

whats vor? is it vehicle on repair?

Manager433 SG

Vehicle Off Road

ldffollower76 SG

Originally posted by KoolKool:

There are already so many things that have been outsourced. So, what's wrong with me suggesting outsourcing one more item, which can greatly improve the quality of lives for drivers and technicians ? Its not even outsourcing if an [b]automatic vehicle wash can be built.

If you think this is not constructive suggestion, maybe you have something better other than insisting the drivers to do it. I understand your frustration over mud, but do you understand the drivers' frustrations ? Is it an issue that you are not equipped properly with a goggle instead ?

You are looking only from your point of view as a technician and you think that drivers are not doing their part. And you know what the driver thinks ? Wtf, the technician is going to make the vehicle so oily and dirty after the repairs, that they might as well do a proper wash after, than before, sending to the workshop.

What about civil requisition ? Do you expect the civil resource owners to wash their vehicles so SAF can inspect and accept them ?

I don't see a problem that SAF tonners enroute a washing station on the way back to camp after an exercise in the field, as part of the operating procedure.
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Firstly let me qualify my stand as a technician. Mud stuck on under carriages hinder inspection process and definetly sure the repair processs, why? When we goes under carriage to conduct inspection, we are to look out for symptons suck as oil seepages, etc etc. when the under carriage is caked in mud, the mud ACTUALLY soaks up the mud. it is true that after repair, vehicles gets all dirty and oily. BUT please allow me to enlighten your limited knowledge on the SOP of technicians. In accordance with ISO 9001 and ISO 9002, all repaired vehicles are to be QC before it is returned to the end users. The QC inspector other than ensuring that all detected faults are rectified, it is also his duty to ensure that the technicians repairing the vehicle wash the vehicle before sending it for QC.

Goggles or not is not the issue here. Th issue here is that nobody is ensuring that the correct people do the correct job that is with in their area of work.

YOU get what i'm trying to say?

For CR, my answer to you is yes. Part of the inspection criteria is that the vehicles are to be cleaned and ready for inspection. I know because i wrote a paper on CR last year for one of my warrants taking his 1WO promotion exam.

Cheers!!

Also, all SAF vehicles are not allowed to leave training areas without going throough the wash pool which is found at all training area BUT NO ONE enforces this cos after every field training, everybody wants to RTU and book out. Not that it is wrong but who carries out the follow up? Usually is nobody until someone makes hell lot of a noise like me here in this forum.

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KoolKool SG

Happy New Year and good luck !

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