M16s1 too crappy?

Reckless_Hunter SG

The m16s1 is pretty old and err.. not very reliable. what do you guys think?

Gordonator SG

i think this thread is crappy. Laughing

Fatum SG

that's because you've only seen and used the training weapons .... they are supposed to be crappy .... Laughing

Ponders SG

It is because ppl like you think it is crappy and anyhow ill-treat the weapons.

Anyway, before you call it crappy... ask yourself, have you done thinks properly to make it shoot well in the first place?

most "no loading" problem occurs because cartridges ain't loaded into the magazine properly.

not because the rifle is crappy.

Texcoco II SG

As long as the weapon can shoot, kill and do wat it suppose to do, it aint crappy Mr. Green

Manager433 SG

Dun give me a SAR 21 coz I dun know how to use. Only know how to use a M16S1 nia.

Xcert SG

me too...

|-|05| SG

i liked my M16S1 in BMT…..hah no cock ups!

Gordonator SG

nods head in agreement. Very Happy

Ristar SG

i find that i like the rifle i had in BMTC most. unlike other rifles that i keep zeroing and rezeroing and rerezeroing, the rifle i used in BMTC worked like a dream.

... or maybe its the zeroing machine's fault... Laughing

and yes, any weapon that can kill the enemy is a good one. if it jams too much, maybe its because the firer didnt clean it, or is using a faulty mag.

zenden9 SG

During BMT,I remember our OC told us we are using a Highly reliable M-16 proven in Vietnam war...I immediately wanted to burst out laughing.....

Ponders SG

why laugh.

Some of the BMTC rifles migth have seen action in Vietnam for all you know.

saline SG

It is not the weapon that is crappy, but it is the user that is crappy. Laughing

nightzip SG

Having used both M16S1 and SAR21 (went through conversion course, shooting, and had 3 ICTs of revision for SAR21)......

.... i STILL think M16S1 is much much better and user friendlier...maybe except for the slightly tedious zeroing...

For me, the SAR21 kept jamming on the bullets and digging out the rounds takes at LEAST 5 TIMES MORE time then M16S1 clearing the jam....

and I had many an occasion where its because of the jamming, the enemies run across me and "conquered" my area due to the sickening jam.... Mad

i mean, its almost like M16 (single or double feeding, etc) 2-3 seconds VS SAR21 (>1 minutes, Laughing )

zenden9 SG

Cos quite a number of cases of G.I getting themselves killed when their M-16 jammed and malfunction under harsh condition in Vietnam war as the vietcong overrun them!

Proven in Vietnam war?? LOL.. Even the US forces are dumping some of their carbine and M-16 under the harsh and sandy condition in Iraqi for AK.

borgkilla SG

never blame the weapon but the person

Ponders SG

you must have been refering to the earlier models of M16. Yes, earlier in the war, the GIs did not have faith... sigh...

yup.. the m16 was a "trial" weapon during vietnam.. but i guess later on in the war the rifle got better.

octega SG

Judging from the national day parade this year, the SAR21 is indeed crappy in parades, sibei gu niang, I hope they used back M16 for next year.

monoslayer SG

user problem.

Shotgun SG

I loved my M-16S1 @ my unit. Never jammed on me... only the magazine had problem and gave me half-feed issues.

The M-16 suffered multiple failures in Vietnam cos it was a new weapon and the soldiers didn know how to take care of it. After they knew that their life depended on their maintenance effort, + a new less soiling cartridge, the jam rates reduced drastically.