Can CSM overwrite MO's MC?

last SG · 2006-10-05T21:36:15+00:00

note 1. MO only endose the mc for the wisdom tooth, he dun noe anything about comfriment, so he may agreed to comfriment also 2. OC will side his CSM 3. Blac...

thoreldan SG

need some advice...it's about my brother.

he was supposed to be confined by CSM this weekend for some wrong-doings.

later, my brother went to alexandra hospital to remove 2 X wisdom tooth and was given 6 days MC.

He returned to camp to have his MC endorsed by camp MO and S1 branch. CSM saw him and wanted him to return on Friday evening to be confined till sunday morning.

My question is: can csm overwrite doctor's MC (+ camp MO's endorsement?)
i feel that my brother can still serve his confinement in a later week or so. I'm quite sure the doctor has good reason to give 6 days MC for extraction of 2 X wisdom teeth.

Marco_Simone SG

by overwriting MO's MC,CSM is showing disrespect for a high ranking officer.Drop in the charge of insubordination because he is telling your bro to disobey MO's orders.

I suggest you tell your bro to bring up the matter to higher authorities so that the CSM in question can be charged for insubordination and even ill-treatment...After that wish CSM all the best!

BrUtUs SG

ask him to show his MC to csm lo... if csm got problem channel to OC...

monoslayer SG

CSMs dun have tis kind of power n authority.

kaister SG

No they can’t but the MC given was also not stay-home MC (Att C – Home). Your brother’s CSM can order him to be confined at the sick bay or even his bunk. It is unlikely he can go against that order IMHO

Marco_Simone SG

nowadays still got att c bunk meh???

Ponders SG

Sounds like a BMTC CSM.

but anyway. yes.. CSM is getting him/herself into trouble doing this.

please bring up to SAF Hotline and OC miniumum.

thoreldan SG

should he even go for his confinement? if not would he get into trouble "for not listening to CSM's order" ?

Doctor did warn about bleeding and swelling..who's going to help him when no-one is in camp on sat?

monoslayer SG

CSMs usually SSG or MSG. if they dare to go overboard, they can kiss their PP2 goodbye. Laughing

Marco_Simone SG

Originally posted by thoreldan:

should he even go for his confinement? if not would he get into trouble [b] "for not listening to CSM's order" ?

Doctor did warn about bleeding and swelling..who's going to help him when no-one is in camp on sat?
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Always listen to the orders of higher authorities(in this case MO will take predecence over CSM)

refer to my case last yearhttp://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=200396

Insofar as I hate overbearing regulars,I suggest your bro at least contact CSM to let him know he got MC...to cover his backside...Then after that,see what CSM says...

monoslayer SG

as long as he got the MO's letter, he got valid reason to argue wif tis goondu CSM. now 3G army liao, must b 'thinking soldiers'. no more 'do or die, dun ask y' Laughing

thoreldan SG

well he already cannot get this pp2 and will ORD in 2008. According to my brother, he is giving out his namecard as some real-estate man. I thought those in government job cannot moonlighting one?

LazerLordz SG

Okay I just read it in more detail.

If the MO let's him book out for Att C, all your brother needs to do is to let his superiors know, especially his PC and OC. The CSM has no say here, as far as I know.

kaister SG

They don't really bother to differentiate MCs anymore but it still exist. He cannot just defy orders even if they are wrong. Besides, the CSM WON'T get into any trouble because all he has to do is to give a call to the MO and a verbal approval is enough to keep him confined.

Reporting to your CO will only bring upon more punishments in the future. What did your brother do to get the confinement? Maybe he has disciplinary problems? His past record might not go well with his CO.

Besides there's no safety issues involved. He can't die from having wisdom tooth removed.

Marco_Simone SG

Then again,did your bro purposely go take out wisdom tooth coz he think he can siam the confinement? A bit too coincidental right?

Well,confinement cannot run away 1,eventually he has to serve it.Your bro should plan the wisdom tooth MC just before ORD leave,how come no one teach him this??? Wink

thoreldan SG

He knows my brother got att C, then he got mad and wants my brother to return tmr night for Sat's confinement.

thoreldan SG

how to siam...this week dont have...next weekend still need to payback one

Marco_Simone SG

Wanna to keng,must do it properly mah. Wink

kaister SG

Yes I agree it's too suspicious. I've never heard of a 6 day MC to removing wisdom tooth.

I must emphasis again, your brother's CSM will NEVER get into any trouble for confining him to his bunk or sick bay but your brother can be charged for not following orders.

The worse situation - your brother don't turn up, whole issue blows up, CO knows, reprimand CSM but gives your brother more confinement for not taking up proper channels.

Either way your brother loses. Just go for the confinement

thoreldan SG

not me not me Embarassed