7, 8 or 9 men sections?

insouciant SG

Which do you think is more effective?

After all this many years, I still think 7 men is just a little too few...

mhcampboy SG

hmmm.... SAF thinks 7 is better....thats y it has evolved into a defence force modeled for everyone to learn from. Mr. Green

acwire_2125 SG

Well, it doesn’t really mean the more people the merrier! WEll, we have the quite common system of 7 person. WEll, I think it is best to include and exclude base on mission.

nightzip SG

yah! with all the barang barang like what lawtube, parang, chain saw, wire-cutters, this and that, why not have an extra pair of hands. Twisted Evil

insouciant SG

SAF switched to a 7 men section partially due to the drop in birth rates... Using the reason that with superior firepower..

But, one men in the section get injured, two men stretcher.. 7 fighting men down to 4.. That's a drastic cut in number of gun barrels facing the enemy. Think about that.

As for add and minus.. it doesn't work like that. Sections are trained to work as a team. Adding and taking people out can mess up the team dynamics.

saline SG

yes true. the sect has trained together for ages. suddenly u add/remove members, would affect the dynamics.

Prince_Valiant SG

SHould introduce 10 men sections...like the US basic fireteam.. can break into half patrol. sgt lead one, 2IC lead the other

Quirinus SG

The debate on how many men is bound to last as long as Infantry exists.
Even Infantry units in the USA with 9 men sections are asking for more men.
For the record, the US Marines have a 13 men squad.

LazerLordz SG

The fire team concept with a static fire base is something we have to look to in MOUT or similar missions.

The 7 men section is partly due to manpower shortages and the fact that it is a more mobile solution for jungle fighting.

tlwa SG

I believe most section operation is all about stealth and speed. 7 man section can move faster and more swiftly which is a huge plus point compare to the 13 man section mentioned above..

kiddyduck SG

erm... my unit work in 10 man section....
hahaha.. all same market price.. all M16

oxford mushroom SG

Problem with 7-man section:

1 fella attend B, 1 fella attend C, one fella kena charged and sent to guardhouse..4 fellas left do what???

mhcampboy SG

sai kang la. Mr. Green

bcoy SG

Just about right for majong.

Anybody train with the US Marines before? Seen their section and platoons doing fire and movement.

Icemoon SG

7 is the best.

can form big dipper formation like Quanzhen Sect. Laughing

insouciant SG

Hello! How does 13 men istead of 7 make a section move slower?

If you tell me 13 men increases the odds of someone being spotted or stepping on a dry twig maybe lah.. But slower?? Confused

nightzip SG

precisely! they can go in group movements, no one-by-one.

13 men breaks into 4 groups, with 1 support fire group/or rear cover group.

The 3 main charging groups can do group fire and movement, not-individual movement...speed is certainly the least thing to think about.

Unless you talk about the control during the movement and firefight? But then all groups have a group IC which is similar to 7 men-section also.

LazerLordz SG

Most have this idea that the section has to move as one solid group. This is wrong, especially when current warfare realities mean that smaller mobile groups are more effective.

Aveme SG

add in the fact that 7 man section is the max and i mean really max amount to fit into our new bionix APC,not enough space to fit in even one more guy

equlus84 SG

I find that for offensive infantry based units like guards, it is better to have more men that our traditional section arrangement. Bcos from my experience like for example going to ATEC, after the morning deliberate assault, the number of troops "alive, unwounded"(using the TES laser system). Due to the fact that the defending side has a natural ground avantage, having the original section setup puts the attacking side at a disadvantage.

With increasing urbanisation and fortified positions, I suggest we should introduce a short gun to the section, and let the sec com carry it, increase the section to 8 men. The short gun can be used to blast open doors, and window locks. It is better than those door charged used now. It is also a good FOFO weapons, as during WW2 it is a little known fact that the Americans used them when attacking FOFO grounds. Ppls common conception of the use of bayonets ironically are not veri effective due to long rifle length, difficult to use in cramp position.