SAF Urban Legends - Fact or Fiction?

last SG · 2006-01-31T19:02:20+00:00

Singapore mah, you borned yesterday meh?

Fatum SG

I think the govt job thingy is fiction, SM Goh himself told the media sometime back that the goverment do hire gays, even in rather sensitive positions .....

but I do support the second part though, even if it's not true, I have nothing against gays mind you ... but there'll be some fuggers who'll abuse this loophole, declare themselves gays to wiggle their way to come cushy posting, then conveniently "revert" their sexual orientation after NS ....

I also heard of some champion who got himself declared PES F and out of NS obligations, but was "magically" restored to full health a few months after ... but that's another story ...

gnoik SG

Tink this one is truth bahz.. Haven see a 302 outside work yet..

one-niner SG

I agree with Fatum regarding the hiring of gays is norm in some government position.However those champions that declare themselves as 302 can't get married for the next 20 yrs until age 35 or 40 (can't recall the exact timeline though )

But there have been dumbasses who declared themselves 302 in army and registered for marriage only to be pulled back to do NS if they are not above 30 yrs old. Any 302 above age 30 will be sent to jail.

Shotgun SG

But is it for real, that there is a military law regarding this? Or is it just another one of those stories that CSMs tell their kiddies?

one-niner SG

which one ?? 302 or DB ?

nismoS132 SG

CxL3-9, E9L9 no need go out field.

i tell you lan jiao. even wallaby also go liao.

RaTtY81 SG

yea tat is true, depends on wat vocation ur in NOT ur pes status, unless u excused outfield. my cq storeman pes e aso go outfield/wallaby

martin_lim85 SG

heard that the guy that one cant 'stand' can get pes F Shocked

Ponders SG

Actually by directive PES E is excused field and restricted to desk job only. But i konw some PES E are temporary just that they never "upgrade" after they heal. So on paper they PES E, but they can actually be PES C.

To force PES E to go outfield... actually can complain upwards. But you know how things run inside lah... no one listens.

In fact, they will tell you, out field is when you are OUT alone in the FIELD.
As long there is Medic or MO nearby. it is not outfield.

Or they will say you are doing "deskjob". Outfield is when they chiongsua.

spencer99 SG

I think in UK and european armed forces,,, things like commisioning of new ships are probably also involved the religious majoirty of the country....

singapore with it multi religion social structure, we probbaly get the ALL the "main" religons involved in the "blessings".

I don't think it is to ward off evil spirts.

nismoS132 SG

my C9L3 fren with serious asthma, excused outfield, excused overseas exercise. still forcefully sent to wallaby. after 1st outfield, had serious asthma attack. got some 3 crab come visit him when he was in wallaby sick bay. asked a lot of questions, in the end still no news.

js_23 SG

3 crab nia, not powderful nid at least 3 stars den more powderful.. or beta still, sum minister.

Ponders SG

Sometimes i really wonder what the superiors are thinking.

Yes.. too many PES C chao keng, but some PES C are genuine!!!! I think few more ppl need to die before they wake up.

You friend can actually bring the matter up to MO before he left for wallaby.

After that incident from Wallaby, he should have come back to singaproe and find his MP!!

I hate to say this, but some NSF in the army are simply damn selfish!!

My man actually need to see his MP because some clerk in the army messed up his file and his disruption application was screwed up.

Ended up he paid school fees already $1000+, but SAF did not discharge him. MP wrote to Minister, then the entire taiji exercise happen.

As expected, he is still in the Army. The School fees, gone!!

nismoS132 SG

almost simlar case for me.

i needed an urgent reply from CPC for some questions regarding my disruption leave application. told the clerk he said he'll send the email. next day i ask him, he said still waiting for reply. 1.5 weeks later i ask he said he forgot to send the mail....

in the end i just called them personally.

Fatum SG

blame the clerks, not the army ....

the average clerk is either chronically over-worked, squeezed left right and centre and screwed over by everyone, or he behaves like one corporal big-fuck, shaking leg all day watching his finger-nails grow ... or studying for his night-classes during office hours ... pushing everything under the carpet hoping that he ORD's before the shit catches up with him ... you know it, I know it, we all know it ... hell, he's probably even surfing sgforums ...

if it's the latter kind that messed up your application, get your boss to call his and screw him over ...

LazerLordz SG

Many examples like these.They make other clerks look bad.Some of us do stay back and DO overtime, and the rest? Last parade also cannot fall in properly..Wimps.

will4 SG

I think it is true to some extent. There is a clerk kena transfered from S1 to S4
branch cause of attitude problem.

Shotgun SG

I think thats very screwed up. Then again, the poor bugger should have confirmed his disruption first, and continuously check on it.

Thats the only way the army can get things done. They need ppl to continously hound them to do things.

Ponders SG

What happen was that S1 & CO say should be no problem. Because the school already bugging for school fees otherwise his place in school would be forfeited.

But the clerk dunno how he screw things up. In the end Mindef did not want to disrupt him.

It took quite a fight until MP level also. Still MP can't do much.

nismoS132 SG

the problem with disruption is that, before they approve your disruption, they want a letter of acceptance from the school that you're applying to, to have that letter means that your school fees will have to be paid. and even with that letter, they may still choose NOT to approve your disruption.

a friend had applied for disruption, was told that it will be approved, only to have it put down at the last minute. he spent his last 2.5 months taking MC continuously.

there seriously needs to be a change to the system of applying for disruption. what they could do is give a 'principal of approval' once the serviceman is able to produce proof of application to school, and have it converted into a full approval upon acceptance from the school, or withdrawn if he wasn't successfully admitted.

would save a lot of heartache and $, especially for those that applied to overseas schools that do not allow students to reserve a place for 1-2 years.

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