BMT no more SOC?

Pablo SG

Yes, it's true. No SOC during BMT, only demo or 'trial run' depending on the company OC. Also heard that mono intake unit CO has the discretion to decide whether to intro SOC during BMT or not...how lame.. Confused

gonegoose SG

But these new enlistees will be made to run the SOC when posted to their operational units right? that's what i'm thinking, cos its hard to imagine SAF doing away with the SOC ALTOGETHER.... not to mention what we gonna do with the 100+ SOC areas in our camps? Grow some pretty flowers for visual pleasure perhaps? har har

Anyone know if OCS Cadets are still made to run the AOC? (i THINK its called AOC... that super long enhanced version of SOC...)

KumSioJui SG

I hate SOC Mad

I remember during active every week got 3-4 SOC session wah dam sian.

every time hear my OC shout "SOC Fall in" ony balls will jump to my throat.

the worse part is after the ramp and last 600m rundown, thats when totally shagged out and all the screaming and cursing begins.

wah .. I hate ah .. I hate .. Evil or Very Mad

Patrik SG

Then we arent training soldiers.

zenmaster SG

I still remember during my BMT, fail SOC means remedial training while others go on block leave after POP. so die die also must pass. Cool

dumbdumb! SG

just curious, you guys are angry because u truely feel that it is good for the recruits and the nation, or are you just angry because you feel its unfair that you went through it, but the newer recruits are exempted, or you like to see their "faces" when they go through it? Question

if you are angry because you are worried for the nation's greater good, i've no comment. its cool

if you're just having a jealous rage, its kinda lame.

if you just like seeing their "faces" while they go through the low wall, you're pretty much perverted

fudgester SG

I think it's a little bit of both..... sure, I am pretty pissed off at the fact that I was made to suffer thru SOC, while these newbies don't have to..... surely most of you can understand that.

At the same time, though, I feel that the level of training in the SAF has hit a new low now that there's no more SOC. Come on, SOC training is a small taste of what soldiers are to expect out there in the jungle during wartime. Running and clearing obstacles in SBO attire just isn't the same as running a few rounds around a bitumen track.

While the level of training in the SAF should not have questionable safety standards, surely there must be minimum standard for our soldiers to be lethal and competent enough for war..... It just seems that this 'minimum standard' is dropping all the time.... at the expense of lethality and competency, I fear.

dumbdumb! SG

come on la… there’s no proof that they are scrapping SOC. why get yourself worked up over nothing?

lwflee SG

Why i think SOC is good for soldiers:

1. It teaches soldiers to clear obtacles and lets them practice the range of motions needed to clear said obstacels. Now, it is true that you won't see those obtacles outfield, but the things that SOC teaches (balance, gripping power, proper landing, rope climbing) is still valuable. Eg. in brunei, you will need to cross rivers using a log placed across the river .

2. It is a great workout! And imo, more realistic than 2.4. If your gonna scrap somehting, scrap 2.4.

3. coz i did it. Neutral

lwflee SG

Btw, is it true? The title says no more SOC in BMT … so i guess they just move it to the combat units. Not much objections to that actually.

Devil1976 SG

Kinda miss the 'playground'...

I remember that time I was enjoying it so much that I didn't even wanna pass until my last chance... Mr. Green "

Always looked forward to SOC trainings and my swimmings back then... Because more lao jiao liao and they want you to pass, so also never tekan you too much...

CKtalon SG

wat’s the big deal? It just means SOC is taught at a later date..not like it’s totally out of NS..

LazerLordz SG

You cannot always pander to the lowest common denominator.Scrapping SOC is just wrong.BMT is about basic military skills, and SOC is a obstacle course which may reflect common urban obstacles.In the event of disaster, some form of SOC awareness may save your life too.It's alright if a person is not physically able to do SOC, but it should never be scrapped from the curriculum based on some misguided notion that it's a waste of time and manpower, defence organisations were never meant to be profit-oriented, be it manpower wise or monetary wise.

Why the Army is increasingly run like a corporation with all the office politics is something that we laymen may never know...

nismoS132 SG

my PTP got SOC leh.

devilnight69 SG

ya…...no more SOC in my ICT

one-niner SG

Laughing

Gordonator SG

don't always trust everything u see. if the title says "No more NS" u also belive ah?

btw i'll really be disappointed if there will be no more SOC in BMT. then like that what's the fun of BMT. so what's next? no moe field camp? Neutral Confused

Pablo SG

In today's Singapore, we are never short of protective parents who are extremely 'concern' of their boys' well being. If SOC in BMT is really scrapped, it is most likely due to MINDEF being pressured to do so after these mothers and fathers complain about their poor boys cut and bruises to their MPs.

While SAF may have taken measures to raise safety standards (which already pretty good IMO), it may not suffice as the physical standards of our recruits are getting bad to worse (probably kids of those same parents who stopped their boys from taking up sports for fear of injury and then complain to MP after son injure in BMT). So where do we go? Lower the entry level standard.

Eventually when these people get posted to units after the modified lame BMT, any complains from parents will be sporadic because there is not likely be large congregation of feeble recruits like BMTC. This is when the unit will do magic to shape this people up Twisted Evil

Anyway, look at the taupok complain in ST forum, it is from a 'concerned' parent. I was taupoking regularly in my school days, both as culprit and victim. But who's complaining? Only these 'caring' parents. I hope someone can remind this particular taupok complainant that his son may be victim of the potentially fatal 'blanket party' in NS and she will not even get wind of it... Mr. Green

gnoik SG

Originally posted by Gordonator:

don't always trust everything u see. if the title says "No more NS" u also belive ah?

btw i'll really be disappointed [b]if there will be no more SOC in BMT. then like that what's the fun of BMT. so what's next? no moe field camp? Neutral Confused [/b]

Mebbe next time no more BMT liao..go straight to units and trained.. Surprised
Anyone can confirm really no SOC in BMT liao?

LazerLordz SG

Well said.There's a difference between safety-conscious and being a girlie man.

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