Again ... about OOC question

Artemis`Entreri SG

3 more weeks to my POP date supposedly. But because of a leg injury, i have been away for close to 2 months. My MC ends and i am returning. I am still not declared as OOC because i have not seen the MO. I have a couple of questions though, hope the knowledgeable people can take their time to answer. Thanks in advance.

1. Since there is no way i can get myself back into training and pop, it goes without saying that i am gone case. Confirm OOC and temporary downgrade am i right? How do i go about doing it though? Do i actually report sick, approach the MO and then ask him "can i OOC?" Sounds inplausible and stupid. Yet there seems to be no other choices! I cannot possibly go back and walk 24km road march after not attending any road marches. Also, i missed range and field camp. The annoying thing is, seeing how things work in tekong, if i dont find a solution myself, they will probably just put me back into training when my MC ends without me knowing a thing about what's going on. Gun drills, outfield, combat training, i dont know a damn thing! Confused
So can someone tell me, how am i supposed to go about getting myself OOC and come back for a recourse in future. I dont mind a recourse, but i mind attending lessons with no basic knowledge at all. What should i do now?!

2. Is there a posibility while people go on their 1 week block leave, i am the only guy staying behind in company line to do odd jobs and to face all the instructors and officers since i cannot pop. This is a very scary thought heheh Crying or Very sad . Or will i more likely be posted out first to a unit then come back in future for recourse (is this a norm?).

3. Any posiblity of OOC people being posted to combat? with us not knowing any basics and all.

pipi & poot-poot SG

ooc can stil b posted out wif ur coy.....dey'l jus make u com back & complete bmt b4 ur ord.....

btw...some joker from my bro's bmt platoon fail to p.o.p 3 consecutive times.....he eventually ended up in my bmt platoon....sad ding is, by d time i p.o.p he ooc again....bummer

Artemis`Entreri SG

Heh. 3 consecutive times? Thats scary. If not for my leg injury, i really wish to just serve and f off of tekong. But do you have any idea about the rest of the questions i posted in the above thread starter up there.

pipi & poot-poot SG

i passed out ok leh....despite nev passin my ippt, soc, nev attend life grenade throw, missed out d 3-day field camp, n nev did do my 24km route march...

pls dun get me wrong hor, i'm not proud of my achievments (or lack of it) but crappy dings jus happen in d army....jus glad i'm one of dem cos in d end i kena post 2 a super-lobo, 1-day on 2-day off, civilian dressin vocation.

erm...dink i'm gettin outa pt....anyways, jus take it e-z....wori oso no use....anyway dey make u com back 4 make-up durin d 1-wk block leave...if pas it den stil d same outcome p.o.p....if dey dun giv u d chance 2 com back durin block-leave...stil got chance dey'll post u out den com back agin later in N.S life 2 do lor....bo bianz

pipi & poot-poot SG

yes in most cases....in d predicaments i saw my frens went thru, dey got at least a pes D....those who keng wil willingly pay d $ ask 4 letter from private clinic's 'Specialist' doc...dey said gp wont help

better dun do it dat way...dey can charge u....howeva, 1 of my goondoo bmt kakis actually had d audacity 2 approach d mo 2 ask 4 leave but was surprisingly successful leh....his reason?

~gf pregnant wif child, she's a foreign maid, & suspects d baby isn't his~ worked wonders man....either d mo very kind or super terh-terh

dun mean 2 scare u, but there wil always b nasty sarges ard to make sure it happens sometimes....heard from my bro his platoon got 1 guy kena ooc in 1 day.....he was doin jus fine til he kena arrowed by d pc (duno y oso) in d end evryone bsides recruit dat c him arh make him do pumpin...1 instructor can make u do 20 in one stretch.....imagine 4 rotatin sarges + 1 pc....duno how true it is though....

safety conscious S.A.F wil always let u attend d basics wan lah....ooc canot 'get' leh....can oni b 'given'

ur batch so zai until oni u didn't mit d requirement meh? i doubt...sure wil haf kakis one...recruit wil kena send back durin block-leave 2 finish soc, ippt, route marches, etc....so dun nid wori 2 much

combat unit? of cos! but dun dink dey'l wana risk puttin u bhind rifles firin life rounds.....usually store-man, clerk, mess-boy.... dink u knw wat i min

wuming78 SG

Originally posted by Artemis`Entreri:

1. Since there is no way i can get myself back into training and pop, it goes without saying that i am gone case. Confirm OOC and temporary downgrade am i right? How do i go about doing it though? Do i actually report sick, approach the MO and then ask him "can i OOC?" Sounds inplausible and stupid. Yet there seems to be no other choices! I cannot possibly go back and walk 24km road march after [b]not attending any road marches. Also, i missed range and field camp. The annoying thing is, seeing how things work in tekong, if i dont find a solution myself, they will probably just put me back into training when my MC ends without me knowing a thing about what's going on. Gun drills, outfield, combat training, i dont know a damn thing! Confused
So can someone tell me, how am i supposed to go about getting myself OOC and come back for a recourse in future. I dont mind a recourse, but i mind attending lessons with no basic knowledge at all. What should i do now?!
u have been out of action for 2 mths? i think u r almost like de facto OOC liao. think the best person to talk to about all these technicalities and ur concerns is ur PC or PS or worse, OC.

2. Is there a posibility while people go on their 1 week block leave, i am the only guy staying behind in company line to do odd jobs and to face all the instructors and officers since i cannot pop. This is a very scary thought heheh Crying or Very sad . Or will i more likely be posted out first to a unit then come back in future for recourse (is this a norm?).
the possibility is there. well. u cant help it cos u OOC. and in any case, there will be ppl coming back for RT (those who cannot pass SOC or IPPT) so u dont have to worry too much. as for whether u r posted out or not it depends on if u r downgraded. it wont make sense to post u out for awhile only to post u back for recourse like immediately.

3. Any posiblity of OOC people being posted to combat? with us not knowing any basics and all.
i take it to mean before u complete ur BMT? without completing ur BMT there is nothing much combat u can do.

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Artemis`Entreri SG

So would it be ok to actually approach the MO when i get back to tekong, to show him all my medical documents (i was hospitalised)and all my MCs and request for OOC because i missed so much. Will i break any of the many SAF/company protocols this way and step on any bigwigs foot?
The reason i am asking this is because i noted that generally, all the people in my platoon who OOCed, seem to do that.
Anyway i am just seeking a general opinion. Should i just sit out the 3 weeks and don't make any attempts to downgrade my pes status or should i try to downgrade and come back in the future for recourse.
Thanks for your informative answer btw.

NathanG5 SG

Originally posted by Artemis`Entreri:

So would it be ok to actually approach the MO when i get back to tekong, to show him all my medical documents ([b]i was hospitalised)and all my MCs and request for OOC because i missed so much. Will i break any of the many SAF/company protocols this way and step on any bigwigs foot?
The reason i am asking this is because i noted that generally, all the people in my platoon who OOCed, seem to do that.
Anyway i am just seeking a general opinion. Should i just sit out the 3 weeks and don't make any attempts to downgrade my pes status or should i try to downgrade and come back in the future for recourse.
Thanks for your informative answer btw.[/b]

so the main thing is downgrading not OOC?
by the look of your situation..u are more likely to be recourse...
if there aint no problem with your health...y downgrade?

wuming78 SG

i think u may not need to do anything. u will be OOC-ed simply by virtue of the fact that u missed so much.

Artemis`Entreri SG

That was my question to begin with. I have never seen anyone OOCed simply “because they missed so much”. Most have to go through the MO, then temp downgrade blah blah.

wuming78 SG

well. im not an MO nor was i a PC from bmtc so i cant say i know the procedures exactly.

as i said its best to talk to ur PC. and also, since u have already missed 2 mths of training, u would and should be de facto OOC - u shouldnt need to go and ask for it again. it doesnt make sense for someone to be able to pass BMT having gone through only one wk of it rite? everyone would want to do that if its possible.

and since u should have OOCed, then they shouldnt ask u to join the rest of the trg.

and also, since u r jus returning from att C, u should be given a period of att B.

Artemis`Entreri SG

Yeah, like one day of att B Very Happy
Thanks for all the information btw.

ah-soh SG

btw is recourse most held months before ord?

Ponders SG

For Artemis, I guess you are in either E, G or K company if i am not wrong.

Anyway, towards the end of the BMT, your PC will bring up such cases to your OC and maybe to CO (if need be) to see if you qualify for "attended" BMT status.

Attended BMT means you did go thru BMT but did not pass any test criteria. But you need not recourse BMT. To qualify, you will be accessed on attendance and personal discretion of PC/OC/CO. What matters is they will decide if you are ready for "next phase" of training. For the attendance portion, they have a formula to calculate your attendance. It's not simple Secondary school (50/50 days) but rather a weightage.

Anyway, for your case, you might be a "re-bmt" case. Since you really miss too much.

Your recourse might be the next intake since PES BP personnel can only go PES BP companies.

For Ah-soh. Recourse is not always towards ORD date. It's really lots of factors.