R.I.P Most Rev Msgr Gregory Yong, DD Archbishop Emeritus

dumbdumb! SG

happy now? LOL

of course! curiosity is like that. it's like an itch between the shoulder blade, which you can't reach.

i have no idea what agnostic means.. but, in wiki, it is defined that agnotistics believe that some things will never be known.

but i think i will challenge that, because the bible says in

Deuteronomy 4:29 - But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.

So far.. Everytime i tell ppl that, they never get disappointed, but it's up to you to want to find the truth about God for yourself. But I believe definitely, that God will honour that small seeking faith. =)

Honeybunz SG

dumbdumb! SG

hmm.

Honeybunz SG

July 1, 2008

CATHOLICS here mourn the death of Archbishop Emeritus Gregory Yong, who led his flock well from 1977 to 2000 by his sterling example of humility, kindness and love.

Many will remember the late Archbishop Emeritus as a master in the art of homiletics (the art of preaching or writing sermons). His unique style of teaching church doctrines, by humorously asking 'true or false' questions, was simple, stimulating and effective. It did not fail to keep his congregation of all ages engaged and captivated, even though his homily was usually more than 10 minutes.

While the Catholic Church is saddened by the loss of this great shepherd, it also rejoices to know he has returned to his heavenly home.

Nelson Quah

http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Story/STIStory_253344.html

Ariedartin SG

No more disputes about religion on this post, please. We get more than enough of that to last our lifetimes.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

While the Catholic Church is saddened by the loss of this great shepherd, it also rejoices to know he has returned to his heavenly home.

Returned to his heavenly home?

That's supposed to be some bad joke? Actually it's not biblical at all.

He's not in heaven but he descended to the kingdom of death awaiting the time when Christ raise the deads. Now he is in a state likened to sleeping. He no longer aware of anything including of himself, God and time. If Jesus were to resurrect him back to this world, he would have thought he was just sleeping.

Arrggh like I thought many Catholics have no idea what awaits them after they die...the Protestant have a better idea at least the ones I know of. Don't be fooled by the meaning of death so you won't be fooled in your life. I too was once fooled. No man would see God at least immediately after he died. There are exemptions but those are very rare. Very rare so that it's almost not possible. Don't be fooled thinking death is just another transition to another life. Death is a punishment that God gave to mankind for disobeying Him. The consequence is still very much valid to this day. God wasn't kidding when He punished Adam and Eve. Death is serious.

SingaporeMacross SG

Returned to his heavenly home?

That's supposed to be some bad joke? Actually it's not biblical at all.

That is not Catholic doctrine. Are you sure you are one?

Honeybunz SG

That is not Catholic doctrine. Are you sure you are one?

ya boy. sounds weird siah.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

That is not Catholic doctrine. Are you sure you are one?

I'm very sure I'm Catholic. I used to have an incorrect concept on death too.

There are couples of lines in the liturgy that support this and from the bible aswell.

This is but one of them "Remember those who died with the hope of being risen..."(The dead would not be able to remember God so this words are spoken by the living instead)

Jesus descended into the kingdom of death(a place where the faithful dead await for the Lord to rise them up) for three days and this is said in the liturgy each week.

The bible says that Jesus promised us to rise us on the last day( 3 times each in Matthew, mark, Luke and John). And it's not the last day we see the world. Read what Martha said when Jesus spoke that Lazarus was not dead.

Remember the apostles were all Jews and Jesus the Lord came not to break the laws but to perfect it.

Read about Lazarus and Jairus' daughter who were being resurrected by Jesus. Jesus said they were sleeping when the fact was that they were dead. When His disciples didn't get it Jesus used the plain word: Lazarus is dead.

This word describes it best: RIP

There are exemptions however but most people would descend to the kingdom of death awaiting being risen on the last day. All the dead would descend to this world that Jesus referred as the kingdom of death.

However some of the apostles believe that when a man share the spirit of Jesus he would be risen. Though there was no mention when. But probably we can safely assume it is immediately just like Jesus(3 days).

Most people however would descend to the kingdom of death until the last day.

It seems that I cannot add link so paste this over your browser

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/321435

It's on eternal hope.

Ariedartin SG

Aye. Dies Irae, anyone?

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Aye. Dies Irae, anyone?

Well I have to guess what you wrote. Dead already anyone? Is that it.

But if that is what you wrote then Saw God already anyone? No? Then there is no God.

Saw Jesus as a God already anyone?(though I have)

Ever seen a submarine submerged at 200m anyone? If not don't believe there is such capability.

I have a testimonial book titled the torn veil.

A sister of a this incredibly strong in spirit Christian had been dead for 14 hours. She finally arose from her death. Everyone was afraid and asked(the doctor) how could you be alive as you were dead and she spoke don't be afraid I wasn't dead I was just sleeping. In my sleep I had a dream that as I put my foot on a ladder on the top of the ladder there was a man in a robe whose forehead shone and was wearing a crown. He spoke: I'm Jesus King of kings, I will send you back and at the appointed time you will return here.

Now the dead spoke that she was sleeping(she thought she was sleeping). Remember she had no awareness of time. She had been dead for 14 hours and the 'dream' lasted only about a few minutes. The last few mintues before she rose from her death.

In the book of Job, Job mentioned that he would be raised on the end of time(last day) too

I'm writing this so that those whose view of death is distorted(and who refused to see the truth about death as I did) realize the true importance of life. Death is no life at all. God didn't kid when He warned Adam and Eve that they would die if they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Death above all is not a transition to another life. So pursue your salvation with rigor while you are still alive so that the Lord may rise you on the last day.

I can understand that many people would refuse to believe this decend to the kingdom of death until the Lord rise the dead on the last day because I too once of them. It's especially not inconvenient and disheartening to think a beloved dead 'perishing' in the kingdom of death. We all would like to think that our beloved deads are now with God in heaven. But don't worry the faithful and God's chosen people would be risen even on the last day. And since the dead has no awareness of time at all it would not be felt as a long time. Jesus spoke that He is coming soon though it has been 2000 years but be sure that Jesus is indeed coming.

God bless, have a terrific week.

ps: I don't understand about ghosts.......but I believe Jesus is God and Jesus never lied.

Kuali Baba SG

"Dies Irae" refers to the Day of Wrath, or Judgment Day.

I've checked the Catechism of the Catholic Church and it does not speak of it that way. Read Part 1, Section 2, Articles 11 and 12.

Ariedartin SG

It appears that we are all incorrect on both counts. There is both a Particular Judgement and a Final Judgement. Every person undergoes Particular Judgement upon death, and is thereby judged to proceed into Heaven, Purgatory, or Hell, where they will spend their time until the day of the Final Judgement. At the Final Judgement, every person - whether dead or alive - is brought before Jesus Christ to be perfectly judged. While the living are delivered their judgement, the souls of dead shall be reunited with their bodies and continue to be sent to the domain they were previously judged to enter - Heaven or Hell. Those in Purgatory at the time of the Final Judgement are directly released into Heaven.

In particular, the concept of a 'soul slumber' till Final Judgement is a heresy hailing from the domain of the Hypnopsychites. A 'kingdom of death' for the souls would roughly translate to a state of temporary destruction, and that again is a heresy, this time of the Thnetnopsychites. These deny the existence of the Particular Judgement upon death, and are hence contradictory to the Church's theology. For a possible explanation for the 14 hours of 'sleep', one might like to look at the Eastern Orthodox position that Particular Judgement occurs on the fortieth day after death, offering a short term of so-called 'slumber', but not in the indefinite sense that the Hypnopsychites hold to. Alternatively, one might also like to draw parallels with the teaching that the seven days of creation were not literal 24-hour periods, but rather eras. Is it not possible that a few minutes in divinity could well occupy 14 hours on earth?

Master -_- SG

Is the archbishop the highest rank in the Catholic hierarchy? So Singapore is counted as a diocese and Malaysia has also its own archbishop? It's quite interesting to learn different about leaders of different religion..so i got some questions...why do some archbishops have different dresses..for example Singapore's archbishop is dressed in bright purple/magenta while the archbishop of canterbury in black robe with purple "belt"...and also, the mitres are different..

Miracles&Prophecies SG

In particular, the concept of a 'soul slumber' till Final Judgement is a heresy hailing from the domain of the Hypnopsychites. A 'kingdom of death' for the souls would roughly translate to a state of temporary destruction, and that again is a heresy, this time of the Thnetnopsychites. These deny the existence of the Particular Judgement upon death, and are hence contradictory to the Church's theology. For a possible explanation for the 14 hours of 'sleep', one might like to look at the Eastern Orthodox position that Particular Judgement occurs on the fortieth day after death, offering a short term of so-called 'slumber', but not in the indefinite sense that the Hypnopsychites hold to. Alternatively, one might also like to draw parallels with the teaching that the seven days of creation were not literal 24-hour periods, but rather eras. Is it not possible that a few minutes in divinity could well occupy 14 hours on earth?

What about Job what I wrote I have found to be the belief of Jews as well. What about what Martha said to Jesus when Jesus spoke that Lazarus was alive.

Martha replied something like this: I know that the Lord will rise him up as He rise the deads on the last day.

What you wrote in the bold text where in the bible does it say so?

The dead are not in divinity. The deads are not aware of time. Jesus mentioned the kingdom of death many many times. So you were saying the dead slept in divinity. If she were in heaven why did she said she was sleeping? So in heaven we all would be sleeping. That's illogical and nonsense.

Soul slumber is not a heresy. It's biblical and it's Jewish. What you wrote is heresy if not based on the bible. So pls point where in the bible you wrote what you wrote. I will poin again where in the bible I wrote what I wrote.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

I'll start with this one verse:

Revelation 20:4-6 The thousand years

I saw thrones, and sitting on those thrones were the ones who had been given the right to judge. I also saw the souls of the people who had their heads cut off because they had told about Jesus and preached God's message. They were the sameones who hadn't worshipped the beast or the idol, and they had refused to let its mark be put on their hands or foreheads. They will come to life and rule with Christ for 1000 years.

These people are the first to be raised to life, and they are especially blessed and holy. The second death has no power over them. They will be priests for God and Christ and will rule with them for 1000 years.

No other dead people were raised to life until 1000 years later.

Kuali Baba SG

Please continue the discussion on death in the new thread. Let's not drag this one off-topic.

Kuali Baba SG

Under the Roman Catholic Church, each (larger) country has several dioceses or archdioceses, each with it's own respective bishop or archbishop. All of them, the lay people and the Cardinals are under the earthly authority of the Pope.

The Archbishop of Canterbury is the head of the Church of England, and they have their separate dioceses.

Also note that the colours of the vestments in the Catholic Church change with the liturgical seasons (and they probably do with the Anglican Church as well). Purple vestments are used during most of Lent and Advent.

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