Kyrie Eleison

Icemoon SG

I wonder why this part of the Traditional Latin Mass (after the Introit) are the only Greek words in the Mass?

For the Ordinary, refer to http://www.truecatholic.org/masstrad.htm

catinthehat SG

Its sorta leftover from the time when the Mass in Rome was said in Greek (first few centuries) instead of Latin.

catinthehat SG

*nudge* if you can, come for the Modern Latin masses too Razz

Icemoon SG

got modern one meh? Laughing

Icemoon SG

interestingly why the Western Catholic never remove this last vestige of Greek.

catinthehat SG

got. see this thread

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=211542

the schola is the same schola that sung at the traditional latin masses. There's a mass coming up on 13 Jan sunday.

Icemoon SG

oh .. that one is gregorian chant. you mean the language used is Latin?

catinthehat SG

yeah, Gregorian chant is sung in Latin.

You also heard Gregorian chant at the Traditional Latin Mass mah Smile

Icemoon SG

lol .. I never notice.

catinthehat SG

Gregorian Chant is Roman Catholic Church music. Roman Catholic church music is Gregorian chant Very Happy

lai lai, if u free come on 13 Jan at 5.45 pm Sts Peter and Paul Church.

catinthehat SG

Yeah, at the Traditional Latin Mass, with the exception of the hymns, everything else was Gregorian chant. Simple chant for the priest, a bit more difficult chant for the schola, very difficult chant for soloists Smile

ObiterDicta SG

I don't know why, but then again there are also Hebrew used. In the Sanctus,

we have the following phrase:

Sanctus, sanctus, sanctus, Dominus Deus Sabaoth.

The word 'Sabaoth' is Hebrew.

ObiterDicta SG

Icemoon,

Sorry, but 1 more dumb question:

Why are you not Catholic har?

Icemoon SG

Yup, I noticed that while reading the Ordinary for the Tridentine Mass.

But then, wrong spelling issit? Should be Sabbath right?

So I think not Hebrew lah, just a translation like komputer? in Malay.

Icemoon SG

Definitely not a dumb question. Not when salvation is at stake.

The simple reason is there are certain things I really love about Christianity (Catholic or Reformed Protestant) but there are also things I disagree with or am simply undecided.

I am undecided 'cos I love the Jewish understanding of God. Personally I feel the Jewish version is somehow closer to the Truth. Mr. Green

ObiterDicta SG

No, Sabaoth is the correct spelling, and it is Hebrew.

You can check Wikipedia. Very Happy

Anyway, it is also found in the Bible. just that I can't remember which book.

ObiterDicta SG

Orh, ok lah. I just curious only.

I myself read my way into the Church, so I am curious as to how come a person like you who is so much better read in respect of the Faith compared to me way back then is still undecided lah.

But again, to quote Fr. Benedict Groeschel, 'faith is a gift'. Very Happy

Icemoon SG

Shucks .. I thought you meant Sabbath.

Yup, you are right, but then it is still a romanized version of the Hebrew, I guess.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sabaoth
Hosts; armies: the Lord of Sabaoth.

[Latin sabaoth, from Greek sabaōth, from Hebrew ṣəbāôt, pl. of ṣābā, army, from ṣābā, to wage war.]

Icemoon SG

'cos you stopped short of reading about Judaism or Hebraic Christianity like Brey. Laughing

Yup, faith is a gift, I learnt this from the Reformed Protestants. Mr. Green

ObiterDicta SG

I don't know much about Hebraic Christianity, but after glancing through the stuff that Brey has posted, it would appear to this untrained observer that the underlying subjectivism makes it rather like Protestantism, just by a different name.