Vatican 2

Pope Nicholas SG

Why do the SSPX say Vatican 2 is not ecunemical but merely pastoral? What is the definition of an eucnemical council.

I find the SSPX position contradictory haha....how can they consider the Pope the Vicar of Christ and supreme legislator but yet reject his decrees? I wonder who is doing the innovating.

SingaporeMacross SG

I believe that the Second Vatican Council is both ecumenical and pastoral.

Well, the Eastern Orthodox don't think it's an ecumenical council.

Pope Nicholas SG

But SSPX says its pastoral and its irritating.

I think they contradict themselves with their own innovations clouded with 'supposed tradition'.

1) Pope is the Vicar of Christ and supreme legislator and tradition says his decrees are unquestionable but yet they condemn his numerable decrees.

2) Proper Tradition speaks that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church but yet according to the SSPX, it has and most of the ordained bishops are heretics.

3) The SSPX believes one can condemn a Pope or a Bishop as being heretic with merely the consent of a few thousands catholics spread around the world. Wheras proper tradition requires an eucemical countil to declare whether a Pope is a heretic and only a Pope or Council can condemn bishops. This position seems very protestant to me.

4) The SSPX believes Vatican 2 is not an eucenemical counciil as it defined no doctrine. And yet they declare it teaches heretical doctrine. How can it preach heresy when it defined no new doctrine????? Its illogical.