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What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of God?

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Question: “What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of God?”

Answer: Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God” (Matthew 26:63). “’Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied. ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66). Later, before Pontius Pilate, “The Jews insisted, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God’” (John 19:7). Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”

Another example can be found in John 17:12 where Judas is described as the “son of perdition.” John 6:71 tells us that Judas was the son of Simon. What does John 17:12 mean by describing Judas as the “son of perdition”? The word perdition means “destruction, ruin, waste.” Judas was not the literal son of “ruin, destruction, and waste,” but those things were the identity of Judas’ life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition. In this same way, Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1, 14).

Aneslayer SG

Almond cookies... you just exposed that you dunno what you post....

Almond Cookies SG

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Son-of-Man.html

Question: “What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of Man?”

Answer: Jesus is referred to as the “Son of Man” 88 times in the New Testament. A first meaning of the phrase “Son of Man” is as a reference to the prophecy of Daniel 7:13-14, “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.” The description “Son of Man” was a Messianic title. Jesus is the One who was given dominion and glory and a kingdom. When Jesus used this phrase, He was assigning the Son of Man prophecy to Himself. The Jews of that era would have been intimately familiar with the phrase and to whom it referred. Jesus was proclaiming Himself as the Messiah.

A second meaning of the phrase “Son of Man” is that Jesus was truly a human being. God called the prophet Ezekiel “son of man” 93 times. God was simply calling Ezekiel a human being. A son of a man is a man. Jesus was fully God (John 1:1), but He was also a human being (John 1:14). First John 4:2 tells us, “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.” Yes, Jesus was the Son of God—He was in His essence God. Yes, Jesus was also the Son of Man—He was in His essence a human being. In summary, the phrase “Son of Man” indicates that Jesus is the Messiah and that He is truly a human being.

Recommended Resource: Jesus: The Greatest Life of All by Charles Swindoll.

Almond Cookies SG

God created the universe.....................but can't create a son without having a human female ???

God is without gender male or female. The term Son of God does not mean God have a wife and have sex with her to produce a Son. It has to be through Virgin Mary through the Holy Spirit If not Jesus will have original sin through normal conception and he cannot die for our sins.

TrueReppuzan SG

"Amitayus48", you have only quoted those who said there is only one God.
There are many who said otherwise.

"I no stupid", well said .. Buddhism does begin as a philosophy in a way
and became religion by the traditional schools of thoughts. Buddhism is
evolved out of Hinduism. Pls read my arguments in other forum post. A lot
of ppl switch from Buddhism to Christianity, and also Christainity to Buddhism.
Why is this so? You ask a Christian or a Buddhist, that their faith is a religion..
they will deny and say their faith is not a religion at all.. for a
buddhist will say it is spiritual endeavour.. for a christian will say
it is a personal relationship with a personal God ..

In Buddhism, there are many erroneous things so people turn to christianity.
In Christainity, there are also many erroneous things so people turn to Buddhism.
If they have been seriously practising their faith and thinking rationally
on the facts, they will come out as good atheist. This is a very true saying.
But many do not actually practise, but think they are wholesome. that is why
they hop from religion fallacy to another religion fallacy. When you put
your heart to practise the principles of your religion, you will then be able to
appreciate the fallacies of your faith. And when you are able to objectively
and open-mindedly identify the fallacies you have appreciated yourselves, you
then can be free of bondage to religion.

For example, i heard. devout buddhist after years of practitioner burnt down
their quan yin statues to turn to christianity. and hallucinate that evil ghost
make trouble their switch of religion. It is all in your mind...

For free thinkers who never consider deeply a religion, will often at moment
of death turn to certain form of religion, because their rejection of religion
is very superfluous.

**atheists, humanists, skcetpical minded and scienific minded, come and post in my
forum.

reborn76 SG

In the new testament, it mentions the resurrected Jesus was taken up to heaven in his resurrected body in the presence of eleven of his apostles. If Jesus could ascend to heaven, why can't god just let jesus descended from heaven but must be born as human?

Don't you think it would be more believable than virgin brith if there were eleven people witness jesus descended from heaven? I know the answer I'm going to get is god is beyond human's comprehension. I did ask this question before and that was the answer I got.

Hey Dawn

The whole idea of Jesus born as human was to tell mankind that God is able to experience the pain, the joy and whatever mankinds went through as HUMAN. According Christian, theology He is FULLY MAN AND FULLY GOD at the same time. It is a mystery of faith.

Anyway some of the theories in Christiantity are unfalsifiable in science like the Creation, Resurrection and The Sun Standing Still during the Joshua Battle. It is rather subjective. It is based upon FAITH THAN ACTUAL FACT. It is not falsifiable to through repeated test.

I supposed , Buddha finding methodology is more inline with the Scientific Theory Formulation Methodology. The dark bold stand for the premises which most scientist use to begin with. The unbold is what I think Buddha begin with.

Personally during my uni days when I learn about the Scientific Theory developement. I tried to apply in Buddhism teaching (4 noble truth). I was rather impressed with the Buddha teaching it is scientific, not dogmatic when I compare to my former Charismatic faith.

Anyway last time, a reporter ask Dalai Lama, "Which is the best religion." His holiness reply, " It is the one that will make one more compassionate, kind and a better person."

Perhaps to Dawn, Weichin, Amitayus 48 is Pureland Teaching. To Eternal Now maybe the Theravada - Vipassana meditation. To Almond cookies is Christiantity. To me is Nichiren Teaching.

Hence at the end of the day is how we live our daily life. There is an Amercian saying,"People don't care how much u know but how much u care."

In the Bible, New Testament, it mentions, "The Letter kills and The Spirt gives life." Perhaps Almond Cookies, it is wise of you to post your view in the Christian Forum. Your sharing might enrich your fellow bro. However, when you post it here, it is does not edify but cause the viewer to see u as fundamentalist.

Hope that u will understand.

Gassho

Almond Cookies SG

Hey Dawn

Anyway last time, a reporter ask Dalai Lama, "Which is the best religion." His holiness reply, " It is the one that will make one more compassionate, kind and a better person."

Perhaps to Dawn, Weichin, Amitayus 48 is Pureland Teaching. To Eternal Now maybe the Theravada - Vipassana meditation. To Almond cookies is Christiantity. To me is Nichiren Teaching.

Hence at the end of the day is how we live our daily life. There is an Amercian saying,"People don't care how much u know but how much u care."

Hope that u will understand.

Gassho

The eternal hope in sgforums is inactive. I do post on other christian forums.

Amitayus48 SG

What you did not firmly & faithfully confirmed & realized is that you as human is a God yourself, but instead you are harmonizing the faith of understanding on Christianity from Jesus point of view, as son of God and now abit improving that Jesus is God himself. And you still detaching yourself as servant of God but factually, you are God and a defiled one like many others. As a matter of fact, the only one holiness or Buddhahood (one true religion) is omnipresent and omnipotent naturally without sign of authority & dictation. It is in this kind of formless nature that it can manifest / transform unconditionally and naturally as different format of races and cultures, to accomodate different rootedness of living beings so as to benefit for true wisdom. Namaste

Almond Cookies SG

No I always think Jesus is fully God and Man. We are servants of God but we are only his creations. If I see Jesus as not divine I will be in a cult like mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. They don't accept the Trinity. Jesus' Two Natures: God and Man by Matt Slick Jesus is the most important person who has ever lived since he is the savior, God in human flesh. He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man. In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh, (John 1:1,14). This means that in the single person of Jesus is both a human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1,14). Instead, the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9). Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him" nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word," (Heb. 1:3). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together," (Eutychianism) nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The following chart should help you see the two natures of Jesus "in action": GOD MAN He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33). He worshiped the Father (John 17). He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8) He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5). He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1) He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37) He is prayed to (Acts 7:59). He prayed to the Father (John 17). He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15). He was tempted (Matt. 4:1). He knows all things (John 21:17). He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52). He gives eternal life (John 10:28). He died (Rom. 5:8). All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9). He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). The Communicatio Idiomatum A doctrine that is related to the Hypostatic Union is the communicatio idiomatum (Latin for "communication of properties"). It is the teaching that the attributes of both the divine and human natures are ascribed to the one person of Jesus. This means that the man Jesus could lay claim to the glory He had with the Father before the world was made (John 17:5), claim that He descended from heaven, (John 3:13), and also claim omnipresence, (Matt. 28:20). All of these are divine qualities that are laid claim to by Jesus; therefore, the attributes of the divine properties were claimed by the person of Jesus. One of the most common errors that non-Christian cults make is not understanding the two natures of Christ. For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. They repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try and set them against scripture showing that Jesus is also divine. On the other hand, the Christian Scientists do the reverse. They focus on the scriptures showing Jesus' divinity to the extent of denying His true humanity. For a proper understanding of Jesus and, therefore, all other doctrines that relate to Him, His two natures must be properly understood and defined. Jesus is one person with two natures. This is why He would grow in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52) yet know all things (John 21:17). He is the Divine Word that became flesh (John 1:1,14). The Bible is about Jesus (John 5:39). The prophets prophesied about Him (Acts 10:43). The Father bore witness of Him (John 5:37; 8:18). The Holy Spirit bore witness of Him (John 15:26). The works Jesus did bore witness of Him (John 5:36; 10:25). The multitudes bore witness of Him (John 12:17). And, Jesus bore witness of Himself (John 14:6; 18:6). Other verses to consider when examining His deity are John 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:6-8; and 2 Pet. 1:1. 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Right now, there is a man in heaven on the throne of God. He is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1). He is our Savior (Titus 2:13). He is our Lord (Rom. 10:9-10). He is Jesus. This article is also available in: Español, Norsk

Dawnfirstlight SG

Hey Dawn

Anyway last time, a reporter ask Dalai Lama, "Which is the best religion." His holiness reply, " It is the one that will make one more compassionate, kind and a better person."

Perhaps to Dawn, Weichin, Amitayus 48 is Pureland Teaching. To Eternal Now maybe the Theravada - Vipassana meditation. To Almond cookies is Christiantity. To me is Nichiren Teaching.

Hence at the end of the day is how we live our daily life. There is an Amercian saying,"People don't care how much u know but how much u care."

Hope that u will understand.

Gassho

I heard of the explanation you gave above. I mean God could send baby jesus from heaven and experienced the sufferings of human. Why must be born through virgin birth. To prove he is God's son, don't you think descending from heaven is more convincing than virgin brith. Anyway, it has nothing to do with Buddhism.

Almond Cookies SG

To fufil the old testment prophecies. Jesus did descended to heaven and will descend from heaven in the future in his second coming. The virgin birth is to fufil an old testament prophecies of being born by a virgin.

Dawnfirstlight SG

Human kind will keep on waiting. We have waited for more than 2000 years. Far too long. The longer we wait, the more people will go to hell. Can god see the logic ? Hope that people will stop waiting and relieve themselves from sufferings through their own effort.

Almond Cookies SG

Human kind will keep on waiting. We have waited for more than 2000 years. Far too long. The longer we wait, the more people will go to hell. Can god see the logic ?

The time is not ripe yet. There will surely be ppl in hell because not all people who hear the gospel accepts It. God gave us free will to decide if we wanna believe in the Gospel or not.

Aik TC SG

"Amitayus48", you have only quoted those who said there is only one God.
There are many who said otherwise.

For free thinkers who never consider deeply a religion, will often at moment
of death turn to certain form of religion, because their rejection of religion
is very superfluous.

**atheists, humanists, skcetpical minded and scienific minded, come and post in my
forum.

//"When you put your heart to practise the principles of your religion, you will then be able to appreciate the fallacies of your faith. And when you are able to objectively
and open-mindedly identify the fallacies you have appreciated yourselves, you
then can be free of bondage to religion."//

Interesting remark, care to give some examples of these principles as regard to Buddhism?

//"Buddhism is evolved out of Hinduism."//

Care to share where this information come from?

mancha SG

Any one who claim that his religion is the only true religion, will only show that his religion is far from the only true religion.

Simply because there isn't one.

Religion arises out of circumstances, and circumstances keep changing, therefore religion must evolve, and cannot be perfect.

As for God, Allah, Baghwan,Tua Peh Kong, so what. He has given humanity the ability to decide, and guidelines to go with it, then step back and watch humans struggle with their intelligence.

There is no magic, no miracles, just consequences. Good or bad, depends on your actions, the decisions you make, and what is happening around you.

The holy books are just guidelines to help you along.

Aik TC SG

"Buddhism began as a philosophy and became a religion. This is not what the Buddha had in mind. Understand the historical Buddha and his teachings during his life-time, not what subsequent disciples and their schools or traditions teach. When Buddhism became a religion, it suffers the same fate as other ‘religions’. Take Confucianism: for a long time it remained a philosophy, so there is no such thing as different schools (sects) or traditions (ethnic or cultural influence). However, it is in danger of becoming a religion too."

Religion is different from philosophy by definition. Unless we are disputing historical inconststencies, Buddhism is a religion.

Buddhism did not start out as a philosophy. It is the revelation of one man through his personal experience of life, that experience was then in later centuries put to words, complied and later become what we called the Suttas. The Abdhidhamma, a later compilation is the philosophical aspect of the Suttas, setting out to explain and analyze the early Buddhist teachings in a logical and systematic way. This is the first stage in the development of Buddhism itself. It is a doctrine of the Saint.

Buddhism became what we called a religion during the second period of its development when the Mahayanist forsake the ideal of a human Buddha and replace it with a divine Buddha in a Nirvana full of life. Instead of just individual salvation, it is replaced by the ideal of Universal salvation of every life. The Buddha here ceased to be human, under the name of his Body of Highest Bliss (Sambhogakaya), he became a God. He however was not the Creator of the world.

Buddhism is a religion of Experience to this day and that is why the practice of Meditation is such an essential part of the religion itself.

shanfan SG

Almond cookies... you just exposed that you dunno what you post....

This satanic cookies is all noise and a disgrace to Christianity. Actually AEN should mean what he posted here to delete evangelism posts but he did not delete.

I am not against Christians evangelism but I am against some of the ways they go about doing it.

Almond Cookies is an empty shell with only head knowledge about Christianity. Feed him whatever good and cultic stuff on christianity he will just accept it and he is easily manipulated. He has that IQ of a 3 year old or sometimes worse than this. If you read his posts , you will know he is not very sound.

Aneslayer SG

Paradoxal... The only true religion is what one would believe, but that cannot be true unless the rest are proven... false. /thread?

Almond Cookies SG

Irrelevant to topic, removed

Susanteo2011 SG

Bible predicts of false prophets and teachers.

There’s many people claiming to be Jesus nowadays.

There’s also cults like Jehovah Witnesses and mormonism.

This proves the bible is divine.

the Bible is right..................Jesus is the biggest fraud of all time................he didn't even exist !

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