2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X OUT in Singapore

cornyfish2000 SG

How much are the various PIs selling it for??

RS variant?

tailslide SG

another ignorant one Laughing

an auto gearbox is an auto gearbox. u admitted urself "CVT can be considered an auto 'box". u put it in "D", the gearbox figures out the rest for you. trying to argue that a CVT is not an auto gearbox is akin to saying a hybrid car is not a car becoz it runs on alternative fuels.

ur 2nd point just serves to fortify ur ignorance further. have u tried mating a 2WD engine to a 4WD drivetrain? the reverse can be done (a AWD rex can be converted to a RWD version), but there is no way u can mate an engine meant for 2WD to a 4WD. state one example of which 2WD engine can be mated to a 4WD drivetrain and i'll be more than happy to eat my words.

get ur facts rite before coming here to talk big. Rolling Eyes

n0x SG

let me get this clear... nv did i once shoot down the desing presented in the evo x...

all i did was juz to mention that the rear lights resemble those of alfa's and the is250....

and this resemblance... (though not much in your opinion)...if it had appeared in a china make... will immediately spark off a copycat-calling by almost every forumite in this forum...

but apparently, since its the evo... pple seemed to be hyping it up as usual...

so i am critisizing their herd mentality and seriously biased attitudes towards china cars....

alleggerita SG

I said at the beginning CVT is auto, because like you said, it can "shift gears by itself"..but when I say it's NOT an auto 'box, I mean it's not a torque convertor, and it doesn't have actual gears unlike a torque convertor automatic gearbox..and I was trying to point out that you didn't make ANY sense by saying a CVT can be found in a auto gearbox..WTF do you mean? Rolling Eyes

And point number two..the thing that determines whether a car is 4WD or 2WD is the TRANSMISSION..Whether or not the car is 4WD or 2WD is NOT determined by the engine..

If you dunno what's TRANSMISSION, Google is your best friend..

But if you are too lazy to consult Google, then I shall tell you what I mean..4WD or not is determined by the transmission and NOT the engine..take the Subaru R1/R2 for example..it comes standard WITHOUT Subaru's famed Symmetrical 4WD system..but IF the customer wants, he/she CAN specify to fit their R1/R2 with Subaru's Symmetrical 4WD system..

So is the engine in the R1/R2 changed just because it needs to accommodate the 4WD system? No right? Rolling Eyes

nightsky87 SG

Actually by this part, you have actually proved tailslide correct.

Tailslide said "have u tried mating a 2WD engine to a 4WD drivetrain? the reverse can be done (a AWD rex can be converted to a RWD version), but there is no way u can mate an engine meant for 2WD to a 4WD."

What if in this case, the engine was originally meant for the AWD version of the R1, but allowed for conversion, in this case, for FWD? Since none of us area Subaru R&D engineers, how would we know that the R1 engine was originally designed for 2WD but made to accomodate for 4WD, instead of the other way round, whereby the engine was designed for the 4WD R1 but made to accomodate (easily) for the FWD trims of the R1?

Kuali Baba SG

I haven't seen anyone shoot down the design of the Chery V5 MPV yet. I think it looks modern and decent.

n0x SG

again u missed my point.... Laughing

thing is... the first thing tt jumped to pple's mind when they encounter a china make is not whether it is of a nice design or not....

rather... their first reaction is... " which car does it resemble".... even if its a nice original design.. they will somehow come up with another car tt looks like it and call the china car a copycat... nvm that the resemblance is as remote as zoe tay and cindy crawford...

Kuali Baba SG

And my own point is, I'm not one of them. Sod all the others. Wink

Vigelic SG

So few pics..

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Vigelic SG

In case you don't like your stuff BIG AND HUGE,

here are smaller pics:

Vigelic SG

Okay now got big pics and small pics =)

tailslide SG

this was wad i said;

and this was wad u said;

was it stated anywhere in ur post that the difference u were pointing out was that one used a torque convertor whilst the other didn't? learn to express urself clearly before attempting to post.

anyway, wads ur point in harping on the difference between a "normal" auto tranny and a CVT tranny, which is also an auto tranny, when the crux of the matter was that ExSpirit misrepresented the fact that the evo x comes with CVT where in fact it did not? do not argue for the sake of arguing unless u have a point to prove. too much free time? pick up a hobby.

i said an engine meant for a 2WD drivetrain cannot be mated to a 4WD drivetrain, although the reverse is possible. does my statement looked like i was asking you the question whether a car's drivetrain configuration is determined by the engine or the transmission? again, do not argue for the sake of arguing (read; pick up a hobby).

if subaru had engineers who thought like u, they'd be making safety pins instead of cars.

anyone who had a slight inclination for the mechanics between engine and drivetrain would tell you that it would be much more complicated to design a 4WD drivetrain than a 2WD drivetrain for any particular engine. u think subaru engineers developed the R series with a 2WD drivetrain in mind only to crack their arses open thinking how to slap a 4WD drivetrain onto the engine as an "option"? u cook rice is wash away the sand first then cook or cook liao then think of how to wash away the sand stuck in the rice?

finally, u still fail to convince anyone that ur argument holds water. but we digress. this thread is for ppl to come an share their views on the evo x, not for ignorant debate on whether what i corrected ExSpirit on the evo x is 100%, 50% or whatever percent correct. i welcome intelligent argument on other matters but certainly not on these grounds.

alleggerita SG

Oh well, lets say EVERYTHING you've said is correct.

Then PLEASE enlighten me..what NEEDS to be done to a engine meant for 2WD transmission to make it compatible for a 4WD transmission? Rolling Eyes

If you are talking about power output figures of the engine because an engine needs to be more powerful to run a 4WD transmission, then I don't see ANY increase in power outputs for R1/R2's engine when mated to a 4WD transmission..

I will try giving a better example now..the MAIN/PRIMARY job of the engine is to provide power through the form of combusting fuel and producing kinetic/heat/sound energy..the THING that puts the kinetic energy produced to the wheels is the transmission..So it's the TRANSMISSION that determines whether the car is 2WD or 4WD..the engine, no matter what you say, only has ONE crankshaft and the crankshaft is connected to the transmission and thereafter, transmission determines 2WD or 4WD..

I will admit that, let say the 1.6-litre I4 VVT-i engine in the Corolla, is not SUITABLE for 4WD transmission, but it DOES NOT mean it CAN'T be connected to a 4WD transmission..it CAN be connected to a 4WD transmission, except that it might not be powerful enough for the application..this has been what I've been trying to tell you all along..

There is no CAN or CANNOT..there's only SUITABLE or UNSUITABLE..

Added: So if TS likes it, he CAN fit the Honda's VTEC engine to the 4WD transmission of the Evo X..except that it might not have enough torque to power the 4WD transmission effectively..hence proving my point of: there's only SUITABILITY, no CAN or CANNOT..and this has been what I wanted to say all along.. Rolling Eyes

alleggerita SG

My arguments are inconsistent? Not forgetting, your arguments are just as inconsistent.. Rolling Eyes

Firstly, you said "why would anyone be stupid enuff to put a engine with lesser horsepower, meant for 2WD and fix on a AWD car?"..which means you didn't say the Honda engine CANNOT be fitted to a 4WD system..you just said TS will be stupid enough to do that..

THEN you said "have u tried mating a 2WD engine to a 4WD drivetrain? the reverse can be done (a AWD rex can be converted to a RWD version), but there is no way u can mate an engine meant for 2WD to a 4WD."..So NOW you say it CANNOT be done..aren't you contradicting? Rolling Eyes

And you said THIS as well: "state one example of which 2WD engine can be mated to a 4WD drivetrain and i'll be more than happy to eat my words."..My example is just below..

You want another example right? Here's one..

Audi's A4 2.0T turbocharged engine..it CAN be specified with or without Quattro in the A4..

And the power output of the engine in 2WD or 4WD guise? No change..

Still the same 197bhp @ 6,000rpm and 207lb ff @ 5,000rpm..

This engine also in the A3 and more famously the Golf GTi in 2WD form..and the Golf GTi cannot be specified with 4WD..hence giving you a nice example that a 2WD engine can be mated to a 4WD transmission..You should be eating your words because you only ask me to state an example of a 2WD engine mated to a 4WD drivetrain..the 2.0 TFSI engine first appeared on the Golf GTi, a 2WD car..so this 2.0 TFSI engine is INDEED a 2WD engine..now it can be mated to the Quattro 4WD drivetrain in the A4..isn't this an example enough? Rolling Eyes

Edit: typo

Added: If you want example, there are TONS of it..

1) The 3.5-litre V6 engine in the E-class or C-class or S-class is also in the ML-class, which is 4WD..

2) The 4.2-litre supercharged V8 in the XJR/XKR/S-Type R also can be found in the Range Rover Sport Supercharged..it's essentially the same engine except that it has been tuned for more low-down torque in the Range Rover Sport..

3) The 2.5-litre I6 and 3.0-litre I6 in the 3- or 5-series can be found in the BMW's X3 which has the xDrive 4WD transmission..

How many more examples do you need? Rolling Eyes

tailslide SG

Originally posted by alleggerita: My arguments are inconsistent? Not forgetting, your arguments are just as inconsistent..

Firstly, you said "why would anyone be stupid enuff to put a engine with lesser horsepower, meant for 2WD and fix on a AWD car?"..which means you didn't say the Honda engine CANNOT be fitted to a 4WD system..you just said TS will be stupid enough to do that..

THEN you said "have u tried mating a 2WD engine to a 4WD drivetrain? the reverse can be done (a AWD rex can be converted to a RWD version), but there is no way u can mate an engine meant for 2WD to a 4WD."..So NOW you say it CANNOT be done..aren't you contradicting?

firstly, when i didn't say it cannot be done, i was addressing the TS on a totally separate context of correcting his mistake. in the same way, u do not assume an animal is a monkey just because it eats a banana. secondly, if i do not explicitly mention that it cannot be done, does it automatically mean that it can be done? if ur mom didn't tell u can use the toilet, does it automatically mean u have to crap in ur own underwear? my point at all times, was that it cannot be done (mating a engine meant for 2WD onto a 4WD). u have problem understanding simple english?

Originally posted by alleggerita:
And you said THIS as well: "state one example of which 2WD engine can be mated to a 4WD drivetrain and i'll be more than happy to eat my words."..My example is just below..

You want another example right? Here's one..

Audi's A4 2.0T turbocharged engine..it CAN be specified with or without Quattro in the A4..

And the power output of the engine in 2WD or 4WD guise? No change..

Still the same 197bhp @ 6,000rpm and 207lb ff @ 5,000rpm..

This engine also in the A3 and more famously the Golf GTi in 2WD form..and the Golf GTi cannot be specified with 4WD..hence giving you a nice example that a 2WD engine can be mated to a 4WD transmission..You should be eating your words because you only ask me to state an example of a 2WD engine mated to a 4WD drivetrain..the 2.0 TFSI engine first appeared on the Golf GTi, a 2WD car..so this 2.0 TFSI engine is INDEED a 2WD engine..now it can be mated to the Quattro 4WD drivetrain in the A4..isn't this an example enough?

Edit: typo

Added: If you want example, there are TONS of it..

1) The 3.5-litre V6 engine in the E-class or C-class or S-class is also in the ML-class, which is 4WD..

2) The 4.2-litre supercharged V8 in the XJR/XKR/S-Type R also can be found in the Range Rover Sport Supercharged..it's essentially the same engine except that it has been tuned for more low-down torque in the Range Rover Sport..

3) The 2.5-litre I6 and 3.0-litre I6 in the 3- or 5-series can be found in the BMW's X3 which has the xDrive 4WD transmission..

How many more examples do you need?

u didn't give an examples of 2WD engines that can be mated to a 4WD drivetrain. u've just given an examples of an engines which are designed to accomodate both 4WD and 2WD drivetrain. in the case of the TS, he cited an imaginary engine (H20A1), which purportedly is designed for 2WD, and imagined it would fit on the evo x's AWD drivetrain. the fact is, none of honda's H series engines will ever be able to accomodate a 4WD drivetrain. they are designed to accomodate ONLY 2WD trannies and thats the way it is. why do u need to show so many examples which doesn't change the fact that if an engine is not designed to accomodate 4WD, it can never be mated to a 4WD tranny?

look, i dun have all day to argue with you while u squeeze ur face blue editing each and every one of ur posts. unlike u, i have a life. rite until now, u missed the whole point of the topic with ur keen pursuit of issues which have absolutely no bearing on the evo x.

i dun care if u can quote me a thousand examples of cars with 2WD and AWD variants using the same engine. not only have u missed the whole point of the thread, u have missed the whole point of an argument in futility which u urself had originated. unless u can show a more intelligent or surmountable cause in ur arguments, this will be my last reply to u in this topic.

cornyfish2000 SG

This is becoming a flaming thread... Rolling Eyes

ExSpirit SG

Twisted Evil no Ready Stock sorry guys All need booking Confused

nick34 SG

Rolling Eyes

ExSpirit SG

HELLO,I make a mistake with the Engine Code is was the H22A1 Neutral

I prefer Honda h22A1 or if i could,i have the cash for a F22 as i prefer NA Tune.

and what make you think that EVO engine 4B11 without it turbo is any better then a honda k20a3 at the track?

I Prefer CVT Transmission as in been around for yearS at least it had no gears!!! had u even took your car Gearbox out before?I guess not.
i would believe CVT it more lighter at it had less metal,and I know CVT are not a good choice for high perform car!but aleast EVO X is Dual-clutch Transmissions Could be great and may i wary you of the additional costs in maintain and if damage as your warrent only a year for either PI or C&C,not mention new stuff always had a risk

and one more thing as you may had sat on it,dont u feel that steering look like a UFO Disc!!!

I understand the basic cost 135 from the agent the GSR cost 155 i not so rich like u, that going to be paid 20k more just for a few stuff so i would later remove them after a few month,we know u rich. buy the GSR from me le Trust me my a least 8k cheaper then C&C and C&C also 1 year warrant only mah.

In short, I like THE shell of the car,but perfer it with a superchanger from honda h22a1 or a F22 as it SOund like i had a Bigger CC but no turbo lag and my fuel consumption is not so high,and a aftermarket MOMO wheel and the old Wire BBS sport Rim that bmw hartge used.

plus my Blog i put SST and i said I PERFER!!!Could we had some less showoff here who like to make a fuss.thanks Neutral

gigabyte14 SG

???

liddat also can flame

pro leh you all

anyway, i prefer the older one design Sad

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