Fake Sutras?

soul2soul SG

Mahayana also talk about 10 paramitas, depends on occasion. Some may explain 6 some may explain 10. My Master talk about 10 paramitas also.

When you have aspiration for Buddhahood for the sake of all beings, giving rise to great compassion and vows, you can be considered a Bodhisattva on the way to Buddhahood. But to be an Arya Bodhisattva, that means to at least attain the first Bhumi, you must have realisation of the twofold emptiness of self and phenomena.

So how does one know , whether he is , or is he not a boddhisatta?

An Eternal Now SG

So how does one know , whether he is , or is he not a boddhisatta?

You mean pre-Bhumi bodhisattva or Arya (awakened) Bodhisattva?

An Eternal Now SG

A pre-bhumi bodhisattva is someone practicing the Bodhisattva practices (as explained in the previous posts) but not yet attained awakening.

A bodhisattva who has realised the twofold emptiness is an arya Bodhisattva.

What twofold emptiness?

Buddhist glossary:

Two emptinesses (二空) include (1) emptiness of self, the ātman, the soul, in a person composed of the five aggregates, constantly changing with causes and conditions; and (2) emptiness of selves in all dharmas—each of the five aggregates, each of the twelve fields, and each of the eighteen spheres, as well as everything else with no independent existence. No-self in any dharma implies no-self in a person, but the latter is separated out in the first category. Realization of the emptiness of self in a person will lead to attainment of Arhatship or Pratyekabuddhahood. Bodhisattvas who have realized both emptinesses ascend to the First Ground on their Way to Buddhahood.

bohiruci SG

LOL. I could tell from your posts that you are inclined towards Mahayana ideals.

In a fast paced society like singapore, I can imagine it's a little bit difficult to practice the Theravada ideals, perhaps this is the reason it's not popular in Singapore besides the chinese cultural heritage?

Can you let me know the Boddhisatta ideals in Mahayana? I am not sure if you already know, Boddhisatta ideal is inside the Theravada too.

this statement is wrong ... Bodhisatta ideal is not inside any of the Nikaya

Bodhisatta is the seeking of salvation of all sentient beings and eventually to Perfect Buddha

Theravada sutta only talks up to realisation of sunyata and towards arhatship

but arhatship not equal to Buddhahood

arhat still have to get rid of the habitual action proceed towards the Perfection of one thing that is NOT found in all the Nikayas - Skilled Means

If Arhat equal to Buddhahood , then Sariputta ,Maugdalyana are Buddhas ..

Remember when you chant the Puja its always say

Homage to the Perfected One , the Exalted one ,the Perfect Buddha

Namo Tassa Bhagavata Arahato SAMMA SAMBUDDHA

disappear SG

From Skysitter in E-Sangha:

There is a note from Patriarch Lien Chi ("Lotus Pond") of Ming Dynasty, "The third volumn, Notes under the Bamboo Window") about 70% into the book -- (sorry, my own transcription here...)

However, they may cause two harms. For people who don't believe in Dharma, they can point to the book and say: how can people believe in this kind of silly talks. They would refuse to open their mind to other great sutras.

For people who believe in Dharma, they read the silly theory and they may say: "for people who criticize Buddhism, they might have a point here. Maybe I should pay more attention to what they have to say."

It does morer harms than help. Besides, there are many authetic sutras on treating parents with respect and they are well known. Why stick with the quetionable books?"

very perceptive!

i myself when i read this particular sutra felt that theres something wrong somewhere with it.

Ya, surangama sutra is not false. but i dont understand it at all -__-

bohiruci SG

very perceptive!

i myself when i read this particular sutra felt that theres something wrong somewhere with it.

Ya, surangama sutra is not false. but i dont understand it at all -__-

of course ..shurangama is the sutra of Seeing Buddha nature ..you have to cleanse your mind before reading it ....

disappear SG

of course ..shurangama is the sutra of Seeing Buddha nature ..you have to cleanse your mind before reading it ....

Those cheem parts, i can never understand, cleanse mind or not. even if understand, it is only concept wise.

for me at least la, whether i cleanse or not, its the same. moreover for my current condition(which i shall not disclose) its entirely impossible to. its like trying to wipe charcoal clean expecting it can turn white.

having said that, im not discouraging anyone from reading it. but for me, i wont.

An Eternal Now SG

You can read Ven Hsuan Hua's commentaries, that should be very helpful.

bohiruci SG

Those cheem parts, i can never understand, cleanse mind or not. even if understand, it is only concept wise.

having said that, im not discouraging anyone from reading it. but for me, i wont.

Well Buddha nature is always there .. but at least you plucked the courage to read it

some i know is so critical on shurangama sutra , reject its existence ...

bohiruci SG

You can read Ven Hsuan Hua's commentaries, that should be very helpful.

I propose ven jing jie commentary on Shurangama ..very precise

Emanrohe SG

Can you let me know the Boddhisatta ideals in Mahayana? I am not sure if you already know, Boddhisatta ideal is inside the Theravada too.

this statement is wrong ... Bodhisatta ideal is not inside any of the Nikaya

Bodhisatta is the seeking of salvation of all sentient beings and eventually to Perfect Buddha

Theravada sutta only talks up to realisation of sunyata and towards arhatship

but arhatship not equal to Buddhahood

arhat still have to get rid of the habitual action proceed towards the Perfection of one thing that is NOT found in all the Nikayas - Skilled Means

If Arhat equal to Buddhahood , then Sariputta ,Maugdalyana are Buddhas ..

Remember when you chant the Puja its always say

Homage to the Perfected One , the Exalted one ,the Perfect Buddha

Namo Tassa Bhagavata Arahato SAMMA SAMBUDDHA

Hmmm....I believe the Bodhisatta ideal is also in Theravada. Recently, Ven Thubten Chodron also expounded on the 10 paramittas at Wat Palelai, a strongly Theravadin temple. Also, the Theravadins are clear of the requirements and differences between Bodhisattas and Arahans. If you read the biography of Ven Ajahn Mun, you may find that he also once vowed to be a Buddha too. Thus, I am quite certain that they too understand the ideals of Bodhisattahood.

Hands palm to palm

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bohiruci SG

Hands palm to palm

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Nice of you to mention Ven ajahn Mun ..he is a monk who founded Dharmakaya meditation , much different from the traditional Theravada

Actually the bodhisatta ideal is quite traceable to the Myanmar ..due to its proximity to Yunnan,China .

Its not found in the Nikaya ,but one topic of Mahayana is found there ,the issue of Saddha aka Faith in English

in the Middle Discourse of the Agama [Mahayana ] of the Middle Discourse of the Nikaya

An Eternal Now SG

I think you are mistaken. Ajahn Mun is from the Thai forest tradition, and is the teacher of many famous masters like Ajahn Chah, Ajahn Maha Boowa, etc. He was not the founder of Dhammakaya movement.

Dhammakaya meditation is controversial and from what I've read the teachings are certainly doubtful and appears unorthodox.

soul2soul SG

Hands palm to palm

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Dear Emanrohe,

It is inside the Theravada literature pertaining to the Boddhisatta ideals. In fact, the requirement to be a boddhisatta is much more difficult as compared to Arahantos. It's just not being emphasized in Theravada Buddhism.

Wish you all well and peaceful, Metta

Emanrohe SG

Hi An Eternal Now,

I suspect maybe our friend means the dhutanga-kammatthana tradition or the Dhammayut lineage/sect?

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