The Supreme Source - a fantastic Dzogchen book

last SG · 2008-05-18T16:49:16+00:00

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sofital SG

thus heard, Ananda at first could not enter the First council, as he had not attain arahanthood. so he keep trying and trying and keep meditating and meditating; seeking and seeking very hard, but of no use. eventually, Ananda stop trying. the moment he stop trying, Ananda attained Arahanthood!

This is right. When Anada stop trying and intend to lay down on the bed, at the moment , he attained Arahanthood.

sofital SG

Hi Friend,

Just my understanding only. For discussion sake. Also, I find this topic very interesting.

What appears to us are registered by all the sense organs. The eye sight sees some thing, the ears hear something, etc ,etc. There are not happening in some place. They are the arising of certain conditions.

To illustrate that what we experience is not standardised, we know that human beings see in term of colour range. Some animals are colour-blind. so they see differently. But none of us, is seeing the truth nature directly. The senses of different species of sentient beings experience things differently.

Likewise, the 31 planes of existence are due to different conditions arising. In the jhana meditation, one is said to be able to access these planes of existence. This is because they are not specific locations. They are mental states. In the jhanas, our consciousness changes and 'aligned' more with these other states or planes of existence.

All the planes of existence are simultaneously manifesting, but because our senses are human-based conditioned arisings, we only see the human world and other beings that shared 'similar' resonating arising conditions. But nevertheless, the other planes of existences are not elsewhere in some other places.

What we think of as places are really just consciousness. .. no solidity whatsoever. Even our touch sense is just that. It gives an impression of feeling something 3D with textures and so on so forth. But there is no solid self-existing object there... it is simply the sensation that gives the impression of solidity.

I found some books they describe the distance between each planes of existence and which level But some planes of existence are at same level such as Human being , Animals (tiracchana yoni),etc. Maung Tiong Myay Zin Sayadaw 's Dhamma telescope to see 31 planes of existence and other objects http://www.dhammaweb.net/Sayadaw/subject.php?keyword=Maung%20Tiong%20Myay%20Zin%20Sayadaw I want to share Dhamma telescope to differentiate which one is right or wrong .Like a microsope enables to see minute particles and also as a telescope making distant objects appear larger and nearer.To acquire a ‘Dhamma Telescope’, one must practice Samatha-kammaṭṭhāna or ānāpānasati .Let go details in ānāpānasati . The Buddha taught ānāpānasati step by step: long breath, short breath, whole breath and subtle breath, only for easy understanding. At the time of actual practice, all four stages may occur at the same time. Then, if you can concentrate on the whole long breath, and the whole short breath for about one hour, then (as your concentra-tion improves) the breath will automatically become subtle, and you can change to concentrate on the subtle breath. When the subtle breath is long, you should try to know the whole, long,subtle breath; when the subtle breath is short, you should try to know the whole, short, subtle breath.If the breath does not become subtle by itself, you should concentrate on it (attention(manāsikāra)) with the decision that it should be subtle. That way it will become subtle, but you must not make the breath subtle on purpose, nor make it long or short on purpose; just decide that it should be calm. In this way, long breath, short breath, whole breath and subtle breath, all the four stages, are included in a single stage. A concentrated mind can usually create a nimitta. When concentration is deep, strong, and powerful, then because of different perceptions, different nimittas appear. For example, if you want the nimitta to be long, it will be long; if you want it to be short, it will be short; if you want it to be round, it will be round;if you want it to be red, it will be red. So various perceptions may arise while practising ānāpānasati. You may perceive yourself as outside the body. It is simply a mental creation, not because of a soul. It is not a problem. Just ignore it, and return to being mindful of your breath. Using a nimitta as Dhamma telescope, everything is vivid.All the cells of the body,circulation of blood and the like could be seen very clearly.Not only that.One could see celestial beings like Devas and Brahmas and son on and those suffering in hell. Explanation of 31 planes of Existence http://www.mediafire.com/?jmyxzuxlycm http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jmyxzuxlycm

sofital SG

Well said! :)

There is no 'the state'. Simply empty luminousity manifesting according to whatever conditions are. No here, no now, no 'I', no mine, no inner, no outer, no coming, no going anywhere. All these are merely 'impressions'.

Free from all inherent and dualistic views. Mere empty manifestation alone is. Fearlessly and openingly give up, drop and let go....

This is right.

Thusness SG

Hi Friend,

Just my understanding only. For discussion sake. Also, I find this topic very interesting.

Hi Longchen,

I can see the synchronization of emptiness view into your non-dual experiences --. Integrating view, practice and experience. This is the essence of our emptiness nature and right understanding of non-dual experience in Buddhism that is different from Advaita Vedanta teaching. This is also the understanding of why Everything is the One Reality incorporating causes, conditions and luminosity of our Empty nature as One and inseparable. Everything as the One Reality should never be understood from a dualistic/inherent standpoint.

This also explains the nature of 'supernatural power' like clairvoyance and seeing things far away, etc.

Indeed! You can see the how the view, practice and experience leading to the understanding of non-locality in terms of views, practices and experience.

Stage 6. The nature of Presence is Empty

Not only is there no ‘who’ in pristine awareness, there is no ‘where’ and ‘when’. This is its nature.

When there is this, that is.
With the arising of this, that arises.
When this is not, neither is that.
With the cessation of this, that ceases.

-- the principle of conditionality

The self-luminous awareness from beginning-less time has never been separated and cannot be separated from its conditions. They are not two -- This is, That is. Along with the conditions, Luminosity shines without a center and arises without a place. No where to be found. This is the emptiness nature of Presence.

longchen SG

Hi Longchen,

Indeed! You can see the how the view, practice and experience leading to the understanding of non-locality in terms of views, practices and experience.

Stage 6. The nature of Presence is Empty

Not only is there no ‘who’ in pristine awareness, there is no ‘where’ and ‘when’. This is its nature.

When there is this, that is.
With the arising of this, that arises.
When this is not, neither is that.
With the cessation of this, that ceases.

-- the principle of conditionality

Hi Thusness,

Thanks for this post.

To me, the 'emptiness' aspect was the hardest for the mind to be 'convinced'. It was too different/far-away from how the dualistic mind understood things.

But after a while, this truth becomes more clear.

regards

justdoit77 SG

Let's put aside whether all the mahayana translated scripture was discussed in the first buddha council. But if we are to reject all the new words that comes after it, then we cannot read or buy buddhism book anymore, as I am sure more than 99% of the modern buddhism book are written by buddhists.

sofital SG

Hi …....
I don’t want to tell any more which Buddhism group is right or wrong.
You should find the truth deeply from history of Buddhism.Think about some of questions
1)How many religion of groups have in India before and after Gautama Buddha’s time?

2) After First Buddha Council, which group of monk Buddhism group change and add the original version of Buddha Scripture?

3) Why original Buddhism group need to hold the Second Buddha Council to prevent the danger of group of monks who want to break the original rules and disciplines of monks and change and add the original version of Buddha scripture ?

4) Which Buddhism groups set up new group by combining the ideas,methods and theory of other religions and original version of Buddha scripture?

5) Why original Buddhism group chase out groups of monk who want to change and add the original Buddha scripture and break the original rules and disciplines of monks from the country? Which places do the bad monks of groups who are chased out from country in ancient times go and do what?

5) Why the whole India country lost original Buddhism and became Hindu after over 200 years counting from Gautama Buddha passed away.

6) Which buddhism group prevent the Buddha Scripture by sacrificing their life and how they overcome the difficulties of lifes and danger from enemy?

7) How many and which buddhism groups and how they spreads out the buddhism towards the whole Asia, Western and middle east countries in ancient times?

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