Different kinds of defilement

sofital SG

Different types of defilement in people living in between rural village and modern city?

people's mind,thought,desire,etc living in rural village and modern city

rokkie SG

better to make money in city ,and live in village

sofital SG

The people in rural village has less defilement than the one in modern city.

sofital SG

Zalon Sayadaw undecomposed body

There are 22 years over after sayadaw passed away.Although there is no used medicine or chemical to maintain the body,the body has no smell, decaying and ruin due to his hardworking and diligent effort on his meditation to eliminate and kill all the defilements from the body and mind.Scientists and researchers do pay homage and investigate to the dead body.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1h3Do1krA0

rokkie SG

The people in rural village has less defilement than the one in modern city.

agree.mordernity pollute ppl's mind

Herzog_Zwei SG

agree.mordernity pollute ppl's mind

Disagree, stupidity defiles you.

rokkie SG

Disagree, stupidity defiles you.

dude that's an attack.mind urself

sofital SG

Any comment in video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1h3Do1krA0

rokkie SG

i think one philosopher said rationality is harmful to morality ,and rationality is part of modernity,that's why i said that

Isis SG

Different types of defilement in people living in between rural village and modern city?

people's mind,thought,desire,etc living in rural village and modern city

When we learn to be more patient, It isn't learnt by reading books or saying or talking about it, we need someone and a situation that provide us a condition to train in khanti. Whether you live in a rural village or modern city, each of the people have their own degree of suffering,and each for their own reasons. Someone's suffering allows one to practise compassion.

One can be a happy poor man and another a unhappy rich man. A wise man knows how to appreciate what that they have.

sofital SG

The point is based on defilement.For those who preview defilements himself can see different degree of defilements from city , village until Jungle.Even For those who has the fourth Jhana and fourth Enlightenment can see different degree of defilements in 27 planes of Existence.

rokkie SG

Jungle?anyone live in jungle?

sofital SG

In Jungle , as one’mind can cling to little object that is surrounding in environments, it is the best place to practice for the concentration of mind and for killing defilements. In city, see so many objects surrounding that one’s mind can cling to.

Isis SG

My friend, yeap. A good meditator can detect the many different type of subtle defilement in the mind. If im not wrong, there are 84000 mental defilement.

Since the defilement comes and goes, it does not have inherent existence. Does it exist in your mind before you start to feel angry or sorrowful etc ?

Is goodness a thing? Is evil? Do happiness and suffering have a shape? No. Are they round or square? How short or long? Do you know?

The mind that perceive the same thing could receive the same thing as pleasure while others could receive the same thing as sorrow. It is funny that for the same thing, different people perceive it differently. So what exactly is this thing? Shouldn't the thing be perceived as all should have perceived it as it is.. if it has inherent existence ?

A bowl of noodles taste good or not so good but after you leave the bowl of noodle for a day. What will happen to it then? The noodle turns bad, smells bad and become soggy. What is the nature of this bowl of noodle ? Does it has a concrete and solid nature that does not change? Does it depends on other condition to preserve the noodles?

Even if one lives in the city, does it means for one who live in the rural area does not have that particular defilement ? Since aeons of endless pastlife, all of us ( the unenlightened ones ) have committed bad karma primarily due to our ignorance, greed and ill-will intention .

It is not because of you are poor that you have less craving. A poor person can crave for wealth and power because they want to get out of poverty. A rich person can be contented with what they have and does not crave. Craving does not applied just on wealth. Craving can occur when something pleasurable is lost or desired and we self-grasp for it.

Since self-grasping is suffering brought by ourselves.

Then the liberator is also ourselves.

My few cents.

Cheers

sofital SG

People are craving for little objects as there is little objects available in the surroundings.
People are craving for many different objects are there are a variety of many objects in the surroundings. Craving for little (defilements) < Craving for more different objects (defilements).see which one is higher

Isis SG

Craving does not come from material things.

The thing that receive impressions leads us to happiness and suffering, right and wrong, but it isn't a thing. We suppose it to be a thing, but it is really only nama-dhama.

I think.. just my few cents of opinion and i must say my knowledge of the dharma isn't realized. Pls read up more on it.Thanks :)

sofital SG

Craving comes with material things .let say If one would have owned the car, due to cyclone disaster, his car could be damaged. How would he felt on the damage on his car? He felt sad and grief in some way due to attachment to his own car. This is one of defilements.

Isis SG

Our ignorance yeah? Ignorance in the sense that is a fixed self and duality.

Zen teacher John Daido Loori said,

According to the Buddhist point of view, nonattachment is exactly the opposite of separation. You need two things in order to have attachment: the thing you’re attaching to, and the person who’s attaching. In nonattachment, on the other hand, there’s unity. There’s unity because there’s nothing to attach to. If you have unified with the whole universe, there’s nothing outside of you, so the notion of attachment becomes absurd. Who will attach to what?

Once a fellow Zen student left a briefcase in a taxi. He began to worry about the briefcase, he said, and then he recognized that worrying is attachment. In order to worry, he had to conceptualize himself as a limited, finite being separated from something else, a briefcase. That's attachment, and it's also separation. You can't attach to something unless you perceive yourself as separate from it.

(He got his briefcase back, by the way.)

sofital SG

Let go through attachment in details.
1) Attachment to what you see
2)Attachment to what you hear
3)Attachment to what you smell
4)Attachment to what you taste
5)Attachment to what you touch
5)Attachment to what you think
5)Attachment to what you have
6)Attachment to what you read
7)Attachment to what you write
Cool Attachment to what you decide
9)Attachment to what you said
10)Attachment to what you did
11)Attachment to pleasure
12)Attachment to feeling
13)Attachment to body
14)Attachment to family
15)Attachment to tradition
16)Attachment to culture
17)Attachment to religion
1 Cool Attachment to life
19)Attachment to sensation
20) Attachment to relatives
21)Attachment to friends
22)Attachment to your work
23)Attachment to appearance
24)Attachment to mind

Isis SG

Yup. People feel sad and grief when something that they have treasured is damaged or taken away from them etc.

In my opinion ( my few cents ), the attachment is due to our ignorance. I could say the car is merely a condition or an illusion for us to cling on. The car is just the car. For elightened beings, they realize the dharma, by awakening to impermance and non-self.