Originally posted by yamizi:
From many sources had I learnt and that is not the only vcd that I
had watched.
The why became unimportant when the actions are obviously
misleading.
In fact if he is really a well-learned tipitaka monk, then he
should know that he cannot be ordained in the first place. As in
one of the vcd, he declared that he is sexually impotent and that
is one of the condition that doesn't allow a layman to be
ordained.
that i'll have to check. but even so, u even say below that one
"Respect the virtue and wisdom, not just the robe. "
all and all, Buddha taught to (1) to rely on the Dharma and not
upon persons; (2) to rely on the meaning of the teaching and not
upon the words; (3) to rely on wisdom and not upon discriminative
thinking; and (4) to rely on sutras that are complete and final and
not upon those that are not complete and final.
You think I'm conventional? Well that's you and I fully respect
what you think. But I think you're conventional too, because as you
were saying that I should have asked 'why do I think so', you have
failed to do it yourself. This is common among buddhist who think
they are right.
more like narrow minded and hinayana-listic minded. i didn't
have to asked 'why u think so', as i'm not the first to fire a
negative remark.
I think MCK is weird. His early writings are good, but as time
gone by, something definitely had gone wrong somewhere. This is how
I think.
on the contrary, if one's is still stuck in hinayana-thinking,
you wouldn't catch up with His mahayana and Hua yen thinking. Hua
yen thinking can be misleading to ordinary buddhists, i
agree.
We are buddhists, not monkists, we should not simply see some
bald man wearing a grey robe and quickly throw respect for no good
reason.
Respect the virtue and wisdom, not just the robe.
agreed.
If MCK sincerely believes all religions from the same root (from
another vcd) then he should probably try to tell non-buddhists than
to confuse the already-confused buddhists.
sorry, He did.
Oh ya, to me, you're not true to your words. If you say I
slander (which I assume you think I have mistaken), shouldn't you
think it's time to live up to your sign-off message?
i did look over my mind for a while. thing is, i never say
negative things about ur school.
Hoho.
Talking about irony. And you call that 50 years of insight.
Remember, follow Buddha, not monk.
actually, it's (1) to rely on the Dharma and not upon persons;
(2) to rely on the meaning of the teaching and not upon the words;
(3) to rely on wisdom and not upon discriminative thinking; and (4)
to rely on sutras that are complete and final and not upon those
that are not complete and final. --Buddha
This was said by the Blessed One,
said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "Even if a monk, taking hold
of my outer cloak, were to follow right behind me, placing his feet
in my footsteps, yet if he were to be greedy for sensual pleasures,
strong in his passions, malevolent in mind, corrupt in his
resolves, his mindfulness muddled, unalert, uncentered, his mind
scattered, & his faculties uncontrolled, then he would be far
from me, and I from him. Why is that? Because he does not see the
Dhamma. Not seeing the Dhamma, he does not see me.
"But even if a monk were to live one hundred leagues away, yet if
he were to have no greed for sensual objects, were not strong in
his passions, not malevolent in mind, uncorrupt in his resolves,
his mindfulness established, alert, centered, his mind at
singleness, & his faculties well-restrained, then he would be
near to me, and I to him. Why is that? Because he sees the Dhamma.
Seeing the Dhamma, he sees me."
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=300620
P/S: I didn't bother to reply the icchantika thread is because
the impression I had about you is that you are insisting that LS is
the cure as theorectical aspect, which to me, it's both theoritical
and applicable.
nay. i never say LS is Only theorectical aspect nor Only
applicable nor both. i simple discussing the applicable part.
u ever try giving a copy of LS to icchantika before? applicable? or
they just think it's nonsense and throw it away?
As for Pureland Sect, well, I think they are easier to attract
people to believe in as people suffers in this Saha world and often
yearn for an external paradise.
if these people are attracted to western PL so to enjoy
themselves, then they wouldn't be reborn there. Period. They need
Bodhicitta. Go there to learn how to be a Real bodhisattva and come
back to saha/samsara to really help deliver sentient beings. learn
to swim before jumping into the water to save ppl per se.
While in Lotus Sutra, Sakyamuni Buddha revealed that this Saha
world is the pureland, and this is what made me truly respect
Buddha.
in LS, when Buddha use his thumb to press on the ground to
display His saha Pureland for His disciple, the appearance is
EXACTLY the same as Amitabha's PL. u need to know "Amituo" mean
Infinity. Amituofo would mean Wu Liang Zhu Fo (Infinity Buddhas).
Amituofo is in fact a common name for ALL Buddhas. Buddha and
Buddha's PL is the same.
And this is besides the academic and scholar point of view that
all Mahayana Sutras are not preached by Buddha Himself. But LS's
spirit is the spirit to live the here and now, even the yearning of
after/future lives, one is to be coming back here for one's own
cultivation and practice the bodhisattva path. Not running to
somewhere else.
it's perfectly okay when we are simply following the Buddha's
advice to go to western PL when He's not here in person. that is
still obedient to Buddha.
anyway, it's people's affinity. no big deal. u want to stay fine,
go also fine.
But of course, few people would understand, lesser would believe
in, and much lesser would people vow to undertake the Lotus
Sutra.
i'm fond of Lotus sutra too btw.
just to quote a few relation to PL:
In Lotus sutra, Chapter 23 : The
Former Deeds of Medicine King Bodhisattva, we actually also have
Medicine King Bodhisattva encourage people to recite Buddha's name
and be reborn in Western PL.
"If, after the passing of the Thus Come One, in the last five
hundred years, there is a woman who, hearing this Sutra, can
cultivate according to its teachings, at the end of her present
life she will go straight to the blissful world of the Buddha
Amitayus, where he is surrounded by great Bodhisattvas."
(Lotus Sutra Ch. 23)
It's also the Secret essence of Lotus sutra, saying even if a
person who is confuse or having wandering thoughts were to recite a
word of 'Namo Buddha' within any temple or monastery, they had
already attained Buddhahood in the Grand ceremony of Lotus sutra.
(Chapter 23 : The Former Deeds of Medicine King
Bodhisattva)
all and all, there are still many misunderstanding only to be
sorted out.
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