Kamma for mentally illed people

last SG · 2007-10-05T09:27:16+00:00

Originally posted by An Eternal Now: I have no idea what you are talking about. http://www.buddhanet.net/fundbud9.htm Besides the two varieties of karma,...

An Eternal Now SG

Cause and conditions means that things are not by chance!

I do not know what you mean by 'random'. If you mean no perceivable order, then that is possible. Cause and conditions does not need to have any perceivable orders, though it does not deny order.

Herzog_Zwei SG

I am talking about not necessary having a cause and effect.

An Eternal Now SG

Let's continue discussions at your own topic Which organised religious movement doesn't has ego? since it is exactly the same.

And leave this topic solely for the topic of marcteng.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Maybe we might delve more into mental illness on this thread.

Mental illness usually involves mood afflictions, anxiety disorders,personality disorder, psychosis or neurosis or even a combination which is highly unusual.
Each of the illness should be viewed on a case by case basis in order to understand the psyche behind the issue/s.

assfer SG

As i am a mental patient who have interact with mentally illed people a lot and who have been to imh before,i found mentally illed people are poorer than other people.They are more likely to talk about religions than other people. Wink

AndrewPKYap SG

u are a mental patient? u sure don't write like one.

marcteng SG

There are many facets of mental illnesses, like obsessive compulsive disorder, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and many others.

even though they are afflicted by the illness, they still need to live, work and support the family, some even are married and have children.

But the question I am asking are still unresolved or unanswered.

Because according to the dhamma, nothing ever happened by chance if go by the law of kamma, you reaped what you have sowed.

One must have done something bad in one's past lives to be afflicted by these mental illnesses, but what about if one is delusional and does not know what he/she did was wrong, will it contribute to any kamma?

I understand that if non intensional, ie only neutral kamma will result. walking, sleeping and exercising are neutral kamma as these activities does not result in any good or bad effects.

in the case of pyromania, the person enjoy setting fires intentionally for fun or curiosity. any bad kamma for pyromaniac patients?

Isis SG

In response, to whether one who is delusion and not knowing what one is doing, what karmic consequence will there be by marc.. this is just my 0.1 cents....

Being ignorant can lead to nurturing/implanting/reaping the karmic seed of anger, greed and delusion, the primary causes of bad karma.

/\

An Eternal Now SG

Sorry I misunderstood your original questions.

The short answer is yes, because most mentally ill karma people will still know that what they are doing, but they continue to act it out due to their delusions.

Unless perhaps the person's mental capacities is so diminished that they cannot even know what they are doing... maybe it will be somewhat different.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Question is whether it is a willing delusion or unwilling delusion.

An Eternal Now SG

As long as there is intention and will to do it, it creates karma.

Herzog_Zwei SG

As you had posted before, unwilling participation also creates karma.

An Eternal Now SG

I'm not sure what you meant by that.

If there is intention then there will be karma.

Xprobe SG

AEN – karma arise as long as the six “roots” face six “dusts” doesnt matter what condition a person is in, correct?

Yautja SG

Smile hi people,just a personal opinion

If a mad man who does not have the intention to kill or does not even know what is "kill".and he happens to swing a chopper and killed a passer by.in this case he does not has any intention at all...

I am not sure if that mad man accumulated karma..but for that "innocent" passerby,its most likely karma.He was to be there at the wrong time and wrong place.

An Eternal Now SG

Hi.. this is my understanding, if I am wrong pls correct me.

If a person suffering from mental illness, but gives rise to deluded intention to cause harm, he will still create karma.

Like for example due to a mental illness that person suffers paranoia, or anything, and he becomes very angry with someone and kills him as a result.

He is conscious of his behavior, and given rise to conscious intentions... as a result of this volitional act, he has created unwholesome karma, and also intensified his negative mental karma.

However if it is as the case spoken by 'Yautja', in which 'If a mad man who does not have the intention to kill or does not even know what is "kill".and he happens to swing a chopper and killed a passer by.'

I think the person may have less or no karma... this is more similar to the case of the blind monk who stepped on some insects, and the other monks reported to the Buddha, however the Buddha said that it was neutral or ineffective karma as it was unintentional.

Similar goes to babies who are still not conscious of their own behavior..

Herzog_Zwei SG

Unwillingly participation also means having no intention to commit such an act.

Herzog_Zwei SG

mispost….

An Eternal Now SG

If it is similar to the case of the blind mind stepping on ants, then it is a neutral/ineffective karma.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Nevertheless, there is still karma as you had posted before.

« Previous Page Next Page »