Satguru

JonLS SG

I'm in love. Mr. Green

In the full Satguru, all AMness has disappeared except that miniscule energy necessary for the bodymind to remain in appearance. Essentially, when they are on their own, they are like the perfectly calm pond in absolute peace. No thoughts, as we would recognize them. When somebody appears before them, a ripple is created on the pond to give them sufficient appearance of personality to interact. Once the interaction is completed, they return to silence. We are not capable of understanding what that really means, or feels like.
The I of the I AM in the Jnani now disappears as well. Remember that the I was the perceiver of the AM. In the Satguru, there is no concept of a perceiver in the first stages of Satguru. There is only perceiving happening. At full Satguru even the perceiving ceases. Now there is only IS. This is beyond conceptualization with the mind.
Further, as their natural personality disappears, the personality of those around them seems to disappear. They perceive less and less distinctions of individual personalities. Eventually, they literally disappear as a personality to others, and the other personalities effectively disappear to them.
All goals, desires, and concepts have fallen away. Dis-passion (impartiality) deepens.

Thusness SG

Literally in love with someone

or

with the quotes

or

with no one Mr. Green

JonLS SG

YES!!! Mr. Green

JonLS SG

If I'm love with anything, it's with "what is". Rolling Eyes

JonLS SG

Before the question is asked, you have already arrived.
Before taking a step,
you are already home.

Dear Friend - dear because you are the bedrock upon which and through which this lovely world exists.

This site began at the end of 1991 as a list of teachers we (a group of personal friends scattered about in several countries) knew personally, and liked. Now after more than a decade things have changed - we have ceased to care about the search, the path, teachers, or indeed about awakening at all. Such concepts are no longer of interest.

It seems to us rather, that life is very simple and vibrant. Sometimes it is easy. Sometimes not. But for us the central actor seems, somehow to have miraculously bowed out of the play. Hence we have trimmed down this site, leaving just a few things that people over the years have written to say they enjoyed.

We wish you love and life and joy. May you never find what it is you think you are seeking, but rediscover instead the eternal presence of your own absence.

Words are of no use. All that appears is simply the Self seeing itself through the form. In this dance of appearance we sometimes forget to turn around and look at the Light in which all that appears is formed. Amber

http://www.sentient.org/about/about-this-site.html

Mr. Green

An Eternal Now SG

Thusness asked me to read http://www.parama.com/html/process_enlightenment.html (by the same author as the first post) cos it's quite well written...

Nice read Smile

Thusness SG

Yes it is well written and I think Esther is very sincere in expressing her experiences. The process_enlightenment article can also serve as 'comments' for the quote extracted from the Satguru article. You may want to relate it to your thread of Totality, The All http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=262070.

Thusness SG

Originally posted by JonLS:
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In the full Satguru, all AMness has disappeared except that miniscule energy necessary for the bodymind to remain in appearance. Essentially, when they are on their own, they are like the perfectly calm pond in absolute peace. No thoughts, as we would recognize them. When somebody appears before them, a ripple is created on the pond to give them sufficient appearance of personality to interact. Once the interaction is completed, they return to silence. We are not capable of understanding what that really means, or feels like.
The I of the I AM in the Jnani now disappears as well. Remember that the I was the perceiver of the AM. In the Satguru, there is no concept of a perceiver in the first stages of Satguru. There is only perceiving happening. At full Satguru even the perceiving ceases. Now there is only IS. This is beyond conceptualization with the mind.
Further, as their natural personality disappears, the personality of those around them seems to disappear. They perceive less and less distinctions of individual personalities. Eventually, they literally disappear as a personality to others, and the other personalities effectively disappear to them.
All goals, desires, and concepts have fallen away. Dis-passion (impartiality) deepens.
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Think this article only managed to illustrate the 'impersonality' aspect after the complete dissolving of the 'I' and 'Amness' at the Satguru stage. Nevertheless conventional language is grossly inadequate to describe a world void of a subject-object dicthomy. Essentially the world of 'what is' is a world of spontaneous happening, it is a world of vivid clear happening that never remains. Words like 'rebirth' instead of 'reincarnation', 'karma' and 'emptiness' are invented for such purpose. Religion like Buddhism is more equiped with words to describe such a world. Mr. Green

The entire concept of 'Self' is learnt, live as if 'we' never existed. Smile

JonLS SG

The entire concept of 'Self' is learnt, live as if 'we' never existed.

Now there's a radical idea!

I like it! Mr. Green

JonLS SG

I really liked this quote from the link Thusness provided:

When the realization happens that You arent an object, the concept of ownership shows itself to be completely invalid.

An Eternal Now SG

Originally posted by Thusness:

Yes it is well written and I think Esther is very sincere in expressing her experiences. The process_enlightenment article can also serve as 'comments' for the quote extracted from the Satguru article. You may want to relate it to your thread of [b]Totality, The All http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=262070.

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I see.. Smile