Why will buddhism one day disappear from the world?

path_seeker SG

If its not a lie, then why its only a test and not truth?

AndrewPKYap SG

You have very strong need for "beliefs"; that is normal... that is how humans function...

It is called "attachment"

There are beliefs and REALITY, there is no such thing as Beliefs and "plain beliefs"

AndrewPKYap SG

The answer to your question lies in this question: "How do you know what is a test and what is truth?"

path_seeker SG

Hmmmm. then if belief doesn't exist, what exist?

What we see, feel are are reality, but again, they are also emptiness. While we can be certain of the reality we can see/feel/touch, how do we know what to belief about emptiness? How do you convince the rest of the folks who don't do meditation, that Emptiness does exist?

path_seeker SG

So what is truth then? How do one knows in everything buddha preaches exist?

AndrewPKYap SG

Emptiness does NOT exist. How can something that is empty exists? The space that is between two objects... the space between the sun and the earth... the vacuum between the sun and the earth... how can the vacuum exist? It is a vacuum... it is empty... how can emptiness exists?

Sure if I am talking to "the rest of the folks" I won't talk like this... I will tell them about the The 4 Noble Truths and The Noble Eightfold Path

You must first realized The 4 Noble Truths and The Noble Eightfold Path

Have you realized The 4 Noble Truths and The Noble Eightfold Path? Wink

An Eternal Now SG

Emptiness is not a vacuum. Emptiness is the reality of ALL phenomena, it is not about some formless attribute of luminosity. In Buddhism, our luminous aspect has no monopoly.

In Buddhism, we say that all phenomenon existence exhibit the characteristics of emptiness -- emptiness of inherent existence, and is ungraspable and unknowable. Being empty is not void, it just means that it arises as interdependent origination, conditioned arising, with no separate existence.

AndrewPKYap SG

*sigh* Just as a vacuum does not exist, just as, similarly, like a vacuum that does not exist, "emptiness" is not a thing that exists. *sigh*

An Eternal Now SG

I agree that emptiness is not a 'thing' (emptiness is also empty), what I'm talking about now is emptiness is not a 'void'.

An Eternal Now SG

http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html

6. The nature Presence is Empty

Not only is there no who in pristine awareness, there is no where and when.
Pristine Awareness cannot be contained within a 6-foot body -- neither within nor without. The bond makes it so.

All is Presence! But TONGSss is radically different from the blue sky.
When conditions are, there is. There is no need for a 'who', when or where, only causes and conditions are necessary. This is its nature.

When there is this, that is.
With the arising of this, that arises.
When this is not, neither is that.
With the cessation of this, that ceases.

-- the principle of conditionality

The self-luminous awareness from beginningless time has never been separated and cannot be separated from its conditions. They are not two -- This is, That is. Along with the conditions, Luminosity shines without a center and arises without a place. No where to be found. This is the emptiness nature of Presence.

AndrewPKYap SG

Yes, but if you keep preaching "emptiness exists"! "emptiness exists"! you are preaching delusion and so I hope you will be careful what you preach and how you preach it.

An Eternal Now SG

Yes I agree with you on this part.

AndrewPKYap SG

Yes. I know you will agree because you are an exceptional teenager and you operate on logic and not ego. *sigh* How did you become so good... but I fear for you because if you are not careful, you will fall very badly... and yet you cannot progress unless you fall very badly and overcome that fall... only then will your eyes be truly opened.

There is a danger that you might fall and never rise up and there is also a danger that you might never fall... *sigh*

An Eternal Now SG

Fall into what? Longkang? Laughing

AndrewPKYap SG

You wish... Laughing

An Eternal Now SG

Shocked Confused Question Neutral

An Eternal Now SG

Just think how many people truly seek the dharma and want liberation...

And how many people out there who are not Buddhists, and how many Buddhists out there who are just Buddhist by name and in reality only want mundane benefits... worst still so many 'Buddhists' who actually arent Buddhist and are superstitious, and those chinese folks practitioners who are just IC-Buddhist.

An Eternal Now SG

Opened to what?

AndrewPKYap SG

Opened to REALITY... you are at the moment "mind mapping" reality and what you have are mental images of reality. Mental Images of REALITY is NOT REALITY. You are seeking for MORE than REALITY...

Buddhism is right. Humans replace one MENTAL IMAGE of REALITY with another MENTAL IMAGE of REALITY.

I wonder if Buddhism itself realize this... because it seems clear that Buddhist disciples themselves are replacing a highly delusional Mental Image of Reality by non Buddhists with their own Buddhist Mental Image of REALITY (less delusional but nevertheless simply another MENTAL IMAGE of REALITY) instead of REALITY.

An Eternal Now SG

Well I do agree...

Opening to reality requires practice. 8 Fold Path. Wisdom/insight.

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