Can anyone add to this?

last SG · 2007-07-07T13:26:17+00:00

BTW I just read an article today that reminded me of your sgForums profile (June 2007 newsletter of Wayne Liquorman): Username: longchen Job: living Interes...

Thusness SG

Hi Longchen,

Even if it is a grave mistake, do learn how to forgive urself also.

Do take care.

Smile

caleb_chiang SG

I thought that is the way life is... Ever changing to suit the environment and the needs of everyone you had contacted. It is either you or the other party who change so that you guys can be friends or whatever you guys want to be. Laughing

longchen SG

Hi AEN and Thusness,

Thanks for the kind words.

Yes, I have made a grave and terible mistake just recently. And this is due to strong karmic reactive response that are held in place by subsconcious beliefs. I felt so terible and guilty that i am totally out of 'obvious' non-duality for the past few days.

It is so true that not only is there no 'I' there is also no 'mine'. Thank you for the wisdom.

And there must also be 'no expectation'. Because expectation is self and is karmically conditioned. As long as karmic forces are still in place, there can be no liberation even when there are some non-dual experiences. I will not post again, until there are evidences of the reduction and elimination of the strong karmic conditions that are held in place by subconscious patterns and beliefs. The problem is that the karmic arising happens to fast before clarity can 'shine the light' on the belief that cause its reactive response.

Once again, thanks.

An Eternal Now SG

I see... do take care Smile

JonLS SG

Hi Longchen,

No matter what the error you think you made, no matter what your experiences in the moment... nothing, absolutely nothing... changes the simple isness of the present moment.

I hope this helps. Smile

earthling82 SG

Our life situations does not matter if we are concerned with realising our true nature.

Realising our true nature is the primary goal of every Buddhist.

At the mundane level, the self is required for day-to-day communications, comparisons and differentiation. This requires skillfulness.

An analogy,
Take for example kneading dough (flour). Dough is the mind, while the dough-kneader is our self-nature (true nature). For aeons, we are overly focused on the dough -- its texture, color, water amount and how to make it into say a curry pok. But we forgot that no matter wat the dough becomes, the dough kneader is not affected at all.

An Eternal Now SG

I think a better way to say it is when you realise ultimate, you realise that relative truths are not absolute, but also you realise relative is ultimate, ultimate is relative. They are not two.

AndrewPKYap SG

"not affected at all"... really? You can do really stupid things and never regret it?

AndrewPKYap SG

hmmmm your answers are getting better all the time and you do not cut and paste so much Wink

so which do you focus on? Ultimate or relative?

An Eternal Now SG

As an analogy that's ok... but one must also not mistaken that self-nature and manifestation are separate, or that the analogy is ultimate. In direct experience we can't separate self-nature from manifestation. Everything is an expression of self-nature, they are not separate. There is no self-nature apart from the luminously expressing manifestation, it just cannot be found, it is not a background or 'I AM'.

...The entire universe is a transparent shimmering of the Divine, of primordial Purity. But the Divine is not someplace else, it is just all of this shimmering. It is self-seen. It has One Taste. It is nowhere else....

Therefore there is no constant Witness watching the flow of phenomenality, there is no Knowingness apart from the everchangingness. Yet there is no movement, no coming and going, because all manifestation that arises, arises completely spontaneously. (Also see: Nondual Thinking and the Mahayana Deconstruction of Time)

So always remember... No watcher is needed, the process itself knows and rolls as Venerable Buddhaghosa writes in the Visuddhi Magga.

Any form of sinking back to a 'constant background source' is the reaction of our karmic propensities bonding us perceive a subject-object dualistic split, even after certain direct experiences.

See: Buddha Nature is NOT "I Am"

An Eternal Now SG

Ultimately there is no ultimate and relative duality, even that is a relative truth. To focus on relative is also focus on ultimate, only a matter of whether you have insights to it.

I remember you had an analogy on 'car'... I think it's a good explanation. I'm trying to find it Mr. Green

An Eternal Now SG

From your thread Time does not exists - Andrew PK Yap

Is the car black? (even if the car is black), yes and no.
Is the car a Toyota? (even if Toyota manufactured it and the name on the car says, Toyota), yes and no
Is the car metallic? yes and no

Relative.

It is? All of the above and more...

Ultimate.

That is what "not having a dualistic" mind means.

It certainly does not mean that all we can say about a car is: What is a car? It is a car!

There is a concept called regression. What is regression? You look at a piece of Gold. You break it down and what do you get? Molecules. You break down the molecules and what do you get? Atoms. You break down the atoms....

This way, we understand Gold.

And so atoms are not apart from car, car is not apart from atoms. Emptiness is not apart from car, car is not apart from Emptiness.

An Eternal Now SG

(Source: Ven Shen Kai, Fa Yu Bing Fen)

p.s. for more articles regarding the non-dual reality, please visit http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/05/some-writings-on-non-duality-by-ken.html, also read the following articles in the same blog (under different months):

# Thusness's Six Stages of Experience
# Buddha Nature is NOT "I Am"
# How is Non-duality like?

in fact most of those articles I posted in that forum surrounds these issues such as non-duality. I have never mentioned this blog on this forum before, and I don't usually show people unless I feel there is a need to correct certain understandings in here and other places (usually by PM).

AndrewPKYap SG

I asked you about "focusing"; what do you focus on? What does your mind focus on moment to moment? Ultimate or Relative truths? Laughing

An Eternal Now SG

Relative. But I also said, whatever you are focusing is not the problem, it is only a matter of whether insights are there. It is clarity that is the key. (same thing as what I said before: clarity is not about behavior modifications, and that includes what you are focusing)

When you have insights, you can 'see' that relative is ultimate, ultimate is relative. An enlightened person can completely engross/focus himself on the relative, insight is unhindered. Actually there is no ultimate apart from relative, no relative apart from ultimate.

p.s. But anyway, to make myself clear to everyone, I am not enlightened. (though some people here are)

AndrewPKYap SG

So if there is no difference (are you saying no difference?) whether you focus on relative or ultimate, then what is the difference whether you even know or do not know ultimate reality?

Everyone everyday everywhere is focusing on anything and whatever Laughing and if there are no differences than why talk about it?

AndrewPKYap SG

oi reply quickly ah! don't go and read up ah!.... don't google and see what you can cut and paste ah! Laughing Sorry, just joking, I gtg... talk to you again...

An Eternal Now SG

Sorry I don't click F5 (refresh) every second leh... I just saw your post.

An Eternal Now SG

What's the difference? One is you are able to perceive the true nature and thus liberated, one is you are ignorant and is in suffering.

Now ultimately the true nature is always Thus, whether you are enlightened or not. But there is a difference (relative truths, which as you know isn't separate from ultimate) between being able to perceive reality and not being able to.

I wasn't saying there is no difference whether you are enlightened, what I mean is ultimately, there is no duality of relative and ultimate reality. However, it requires insights to see it. Even suffering, momentum, and ignorance is equally an expression of our luminous-emptiness Buddha Nature. Awakening is not through any efforts of getting rid of ignorance, it is through just seeing the nature of ignorance. Then there is liberation.

As Thusness says, Identification prevents insight into oneness. Seek not a waveless ocean but understand that both ocean and wave are one and the same.

An Eternal Now SG

Exerpt from Transcript of the Lankavatara Sutra Sharing Session by Thusness

Participant 1: Practice (Participant 3) has this question on the Window.

Thusness: Ok. Windows programming.

Participant 1: Not lah, the chat window lah. {laughs}

Thusness: Ok. I thought you entered into Programming.

Participant 1: The question is Does that mean that we try to practise the right conditions such as meditation for the mind in order to let the luminosity to arise.

Thusness: Luminosity will always arise. It never fails to arise. Now, let me tell you what is luminosity in the simplest sense. Have you ever experienced suffering? Or you experience anything. Suffering... Suffering is actually luminosity. Otherwise how do you know it is suffering? Why the pain is so real? Anything that is real, that you feel, that you touch, anything that you feel so real. It is actually luminosity. How can you know what suffering is all about? Without thoughts or what, you still feel suffering, right? The presence of suffering, any kind of existence that is made available is actually the manifestation of this luminous clarity. You get it? However, they are fused with the momentum. They are fused with attachment. And the entire fusing and the entire working of the momentum, that instance, the manifestation is suffering. Everything is like that, you have to feel the pain. Can you understand what I mean or not? When you feel the sand, or you see the texture or you take the stone out, and the texture is so and so, that is actually luminosity also.

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